Fast fold cash games with or without a tracker

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Opinions on this? Do people beat this format even without a tracker?
 
These are bingo games. Everything is decided by luck and skills are not fundamentally important 🙂
Just bingo games.
 
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Lena M said:
These are bingo games. Everything is decided by luck and skills are not fundamentally important 🙂
Just bingo games.
No they are not and there are many proven. long-term winners who are winning over large samples.

So u can't beat them is what u are saying? Did u use a tracker? Did u try to beat it over many hands?
 
I like those games. You can really make volume there.
As a German player, I can only play 4 tables due to the regulations of our excellent politicians.
If I play four “normal” tables, I die of boredom.

It's good for me that there are fast fold games.
 
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Certainly beatable if you play at the right stake for your skill level. With or without a tracker, but obviously easier to have one to help build reads on your opponents.
 
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WrongUsername said:
boring games, boring format, rake so high, but of course is beatable game
But is rake really higher then in other cash games? I think I read that on GG the rake in fast fold games is lower.
 
Station_Master said:
Certainly beatable if you play at the right stake for your skill level. With or without a tracker, but obviously easier to have one to help build reads on your opponents.
I tried to beat this format years ago on pokerstars and gave up after a massive tilt session where I lost several hundred dollars.

Everything just tells me that u need a tracker to really play this format comfortably, especially in bigger pools with a lot of unknown opponents.

Do u play it? I really like the availability and I'm thinking of slowly getting back into it.
 
Suns of Beaches said:
I tried to beat this format years ago on pokerstars and gave up after a massive tilt session where I lost several hundred dollars.

Everything just tells me that u need a tracker to really play this format comfortably, especially in bigger pools with a lot of unknown opponents.

Do u play it? I really like the availability and I'm thinking of slowly getting back into it.

A little bit. I mainly play reg tables, but these days I will load up a bit zoom whilst on waiting lists for reg tables. I quite like the speed of the game and the pool I play (25z on 888) is usually quite soft.

I don't have tons of hands on my.opponents yet so tracker is only.of limited use, but definitely worth using one as some info always better than none.
 
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I do beat them without a tracker at party. It's hard work though, watching hands play out, taking a ton of notes, and only playing when the pool isn't massive.
 
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Highfish said:
I like those games. You can really make volume there.
As a German player, I can only play 4 tables due to the regulations of our excellent politicians.
If I play four “normal” tables, I die of boredom.

It's good for me that there are fast fold games.
Can u play more then 4 fast on multiple sites at the same time or are u seitenübergreifend limited?
 
Suns of Beaches said:
Opinions on this? Do people beat this format even without a tracker?

Yes.
I play 'fast-fold' format on a lot of sites... most don't allow trackers.

Partypoker has smaller player pool and is great to play on for 2nl, 10nl & 25nl. I've built my bankroll up on there from $100 to $1k+ a bunch of times.
I'm taking notes on there regularly... it doesn't take long to see who the regulars are. It's helpful to have a color-coding system.

I also play 888Poker 'SNAP', SportsBetting ' ACR, GG, Stars, iPoker, and occasionally WPTglobal (Pace... they only have 1 buyin level that gets any players in it, it's 5nl with a straddle so it's basically 10nl)

Any & all are beatable without a tracker (and some you can't use a Tracker). Time of day along with day of the week can make a BIG difference in how the tables play out.
 
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in my opinion, fast pass poker is not a very beggarly choice, since you fall under the stronger effects of dispersion
 
Suns of Beaches said:
Can u play more then 4 fast on multiple sites at the same time or are u seitenübergreifend limited?
4 tables max no matter how many sites I open.
 
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I remember in the old days playing fast fold on FullTilt and seemed to enjoy it, but played mainly as a novelty.
Now, if you maintain a VPIP of 15 - 25% and watch your PFR%, it might be something to consider as being profitable over a long period of time. Also keep track of your opponents.
Wouldn’t this be similar to playing 3-4 tables at once?
 
enno said:
I remember in the old days playing fast fold on FullTilt and seemed to enjoy it, but played mainly as a novelty.
Now, if you maintain a VPIP of 15 - 25% and watch your PFR%, it might be something to consider as being profitable over a long period of time. Also keep track of your opponents.
Wouldn’t this be similar to playing 3-4 tables at once?
Yes on Fulltilt it was called "Rush Poker"

On 1 Fast Fold table you can see approx. 200-225 hands/hr. but it really depends upon which site (so yes, approx. equivalent to 3 tables).
These days all of the regulars on the fast fold tables are playing 6-max and are 4-tabling them (seeing ~900 hands/hr.)
 
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Poker Orifice said:
Yes.
I play 'fast-fold' format on a lot of sites... most don't allow trackers.

Partypoker has smaller player pool and is great to play on for 2nl, 10nl & 25nl. I've built my bankroll up on there from $100 to $1k+ a bunch of times.
I'm taking notes on there regularly... it doesn't take long to see who the regulars are. It's helpful to have a color-coding system.

I also play 888Poker 'SNAP', SportsBetting ' ACR, GG, Stars, iPoker, and occasionally WPTglobal (Pace... they only have 1 buyin level that gets any players in it, it's 5nl with a straddle so it's basically 10nl)

Any & all are beatable without a tracker (and some you can't use a Tracker). Time of day along with day of the week can make a BIG difference in how the tables play out.
Yes. im playing 5nl and win rate is 16bb/100 . Small sample.
 
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Suns of Beaches said:
But is rake really higher then in other cash games? I think I read that on GG the rake in fast fold games is lower.
I saw analysis from a YouTuber about the sites' rake spreadsheets and GGPOKER has almost double the percentage compared to other gaming sites!
 
rei signo said:
I saw analysis from a YouTuber about the sites' rake spreadsheets and GGPOKER has almost double the percentage compared to other gaming sites!

I doubt that this is true. Post the Spreadsheet.
 
Suns of Beaches said:
Opinions on this? Do people beat this format even without a tracker?
Micro limits up to NL25 are definitely beaten without any trackers, there even without trackers it is clear with whom you play and how you need to play with them. Especially since many poker rooms already have their own statistics, which is quite enough.
 
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