Would need more info like stake and game format, was the villain button or was button another player who also called?, what are the stack sizes like.
For example if this was live 1/2, a 5 bb raise is pretty standard and is not uncommon to see most of the table call the bet to see the flop. If villain has like $100 behind him and calls $10 to see a flop with 2 other players involved and hits a set he's going to probably get paid off. This is probably an implied odds situation which other more experienced plays can likely give more insight into; basically he doesn't have pot odds to set mine here but if he hits his set he's suddenly likely ahead massive and if he missed the set or the board is wet (3 to a flush or st8) he can simply fold to further action.
So with the limited info you provided I'd say it's a fine call.
For example if this was live 1/2, a 5 bb raise is pretty standard and is not uncommon to see most of the table call the bet to see the flop. If villain has like $100 behind him and calls $10 to see a flop with 2 other players involved and hits a set he's going to probably get paid off. This is probably an implied odds situation which other more experienced plays can likely give more insight into; basically he doesn't have pot odds to set mine here but if he hits his set he's suddenly likely ahead massive and if he missed the set or the board is wet (3 to a flush or st8) he can simply fold to further action.
So with the limited info you provided I'd say it's a fine call.
I have to think that button with 55 calls, which is standard play, and probably put you on 2 over cards. More info is needed as to how long he was playing on the table, how much you knew about him and how long you had been on the table. At those limits, if he has a large enough bankroll behind him, he is probably hoping to set mine or see all non paint/ace on the flop.
It was marginally a bad and fishy, but very common call. SPR of 5 would not favor small pocket pairs. Even if you were open raising a wide range, 55 is not a favorite, and plays poorly without flopping a set. The only thing opponent had was position, and misinformation regarding the value of 55. Calls like this are made because people think they can win alot if the hit their set. Few players, especially live, understand the math behind no limit poker. really. They all think they do. Even though you may have lost a medium size pot, you can be sure the call is losing your opponent money. It's cold comfort, but that is poker.
Most likely the caller was a recreational player and not interested in anything other than his hand. However, if he is actually a solid player and knows EP is the type of player that will check fold a missed flop, then he can call and steal with any two cards. His 55 is a bonus in this case. Calling with small pairs just to hit a set is almost always a mistake. In position with a reasonable chance to steal on a missed flop, they are gold. In the case of a 5 way flop hitting a set with 55 becomes pretty much mandatory but heads up in position hitting a set is like a cherry on top.
It really depends on the situation and stack sizes of your opponent. Calling with fives should be with the intention of set mining and folding to a cbet. If you don't have the implied odds to get paid off when you hit your set (i.e. your opponent won't pay it off with a second best hand) then you shouldnt be calling in this spot. If your opponent is getting crazy out of line and you only have 50 bb then you can consider a 3bet, but it must be a very specific circumstance.
The player starts to think, “Well, I can’t lose what I don’t put in the pot.” Little by little, she begins to play more passively. Instead of re-raising Q-Q before the flop, she just calls with it. Instead of calling with a bluff-catcher, she just folds. Instead of playing that draw, she folds it. Whenever there’s a choice that seems close to her, this player picks the choice that puts less money in the pot.
as said before by others depends on the play of EP before(is he thight did he shove 25o from EP...), but in general it's an bad play. You either hit set/quads and are very much ahead or... ~1:7 to hit a set on the flop(~12%), 65c in the pot 50c to call (115c:50c=~2.5:1) = bad call by any odds
it's only a coin flip if EP raised 5BB with something like high Ace, other than that, suited coonectors over 5(and I mean really when is the last time you raise from ep with 43s) or overpairs got you beat good.Lower pairs 22-44 will not give you money on the flop if they do not flop a strong dro or/& monster so playing this set would be hard unless EP raise did not areise with A and hit that A and decided to triple-barrrel you, where at ~river he would have checked or folded. Again this is why it depends on what/how EP was playng, but MY thinking would go that a nl10 player who raises from EP 5bb whould have some value in their hand,and even if he did not catch a pair on the flop bluffing you out of the pot with a bord like 79Q,83K would be easy... but than again... recriational players man =)
Small pairs are tricky to play exactly because of thous circumstances youi either check/fold flop or you will have to find a very specific oponents hand that you could get value out from
*also depends is it mtt buble close or cash. 10% cash is much but playeble, 10% mtt stack is TOO much for a hand that is beaten so often.
it's only a coin flip if EP raised 5BB with something like high Ace, other than that, suited coonectors over 5(and I mean really when is the last time you raise from ep with 43s) or overpairs got you beat good.Lower pairs 22-44 will not give you money on the flop if they do not flop a strong dro or/& monster so playing this set would be hard unless EP raise did not areise with A and hit that A and decided to triple-barrrel you, where at ~river he would have checked or folded. Again this is why it depends on what/how EP was playng, but MY thinking would go that a nl10 player who raises from EP 5bb whould have some value in their hand,and even if he did not catch a pair on the flop bluffing you out of the pot with a bord like 79Q,83K would be easy... but than again... recriational players man =)
Small pairs are tricky to play exactly because of thous circumstances youi either check/fold flop or you will have to find a very specific oponents hand that you could get value out from
*also depends is it mtt buble close or cash. 10% cash is much but playeble, 10% mtt stack is TOO much for a hand that is beaten so often.
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eGomes2107 said:
Taken in isolation, it's pretty bad. 10% is too much to pay to chase a set.
Otherwise, it all depends. Does the EP opener have a bet sizing tell? There was one reg who would do that, open for 5XBB with (A,K) or (A,Q) and open 3X with everything else, including the biggest pairs. Several times, I'd call with those little pocket pairs, or hands like (A,x) and (K,x) to see if I could flop a small pair, or cooler him with 2-pair. So long as there weren't any big cards, I'd just let him get stubborn and bluff it off. Unlike most rec-fish, he caught on and quit doing that. (He still does have a bad habit of overplaying big overs and TPTK, so that makes it worth it to set mine him when stacks are sufficiently deep.)
Another time to make this call is if the opener is a "one and done", or a FoF. Then you can take it away on the flop or turn if he doesn't continue without hitting something.
It's six of one and a half dozen of another. On the button villain can call here hoping for a set or for you to check the flop. You will have no way of knowing for certain what the button has. So, out of position, unless you hit the flop(or have a big pair) you are in no man's land. Or he may just decide to decline to call since the 5x bet is large he can simply fold 55 and move on. Either can be justified. In cash games you must be willing to mix your play up and this hand is a perfect example of either calling or folding being possible.
Cash game is different I think. It's not like tournament poker because everyone can have a variety of hands they're playing such as 98 suited or even A3 off. Based on the maths of CASH GAME, this isn't a bad call if you're not set minding.
George Lewis said:
Don't forget the other possibility: 3-bet it in position. You might take it away pre, denying the opener the chance to hit a flop. You can also set up a play for the later streets if he calls. If you are playing opponents who need to be shown a balanced range, don't neglect light 3-betting.