Hit and Run as a Cash Game Strategy?

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Do you consider it bad etiquette if you cash out shortly after taking down a big pot?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 25.0%

  • No

    Votes: 3 37.5%

  • Depends, but mainly yes

    Votes: 1 12.5%

  • Depends, but mainly no

    Votes: 2 25.0%
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Howdy All! This is my first post been a rec player for years, but thinking of trying the pro route.
Would like to hear thoughts on "hit and run" play in cash games. Alot of times you can sit at a table and very quickly double or triple your buy-in. What's the pros and cons of just walking away and booking a win at that point, even if you just been at the table for 20 mins?
I've heard it is really bad poker etiquette to do that, but if your ultimate goal is to be a winning player, why would you sit around and get stuck just to say that you grinded 10 hours, when you could leave earlier with a profit? Thanks in advance.
 
Txrumrunner said:
Howdy All! This is my first post been a rec player for years, but thinking of trying the pro route.
Would like to hear thoughts on "hit and run" play in cash games. Alot of times you can sit at a table and very quickly double or triple your buy-in. What's the pros and cons of just walking away and booking a win at that point, even if you just been at the table for 20 mins?
I've heard it is really bad poker etiquette to do that, but if your ultimate goal is to be a winning player, why would you sit around and get stuck just to say that you grinded 10 hours, when you could leave earlier with a profit? Thanks in advance.
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Well simply, Pro's don't need to hit and run. Hit and run is indeed poor etiquette.

Think about it this way. If your used to stacking off and running away how are you ever gonna be a pro? Being a pro means at all stack sizes you can play your A game. If your leaking after you double or triple up it's probably because you've either opened up your range too much or your seeing too many showdowns or worse... Both!
 
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Txrumrunner said:
Howdy All! This is my first post been a rec player for years, but thinking of trying the pro route.
Would like to hear thoughts on "hit and run" play in cash games. Alot of times you can sit at a table and very quickly double or triple your buy-in. What's the pros and cons of just walking away and booking a win at that point, even if you just been at the table for 20 mins?
I've heard it is really bad poker etiquette to do that, but if your ultimate goal is to be a winning player, why would you sit around and get stuck just to say that you grinded 10 hours, when you could leave earlier with a profit? Thanks in advance.
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Ive actually struggled with that a lot in my live cash play. I often times do sit at the 2 5 game with a thousand bucks and within a half hour have sometimes tripled up. My brain tells me to leave but I feel that pressure to stay and not "hit and run". I think this is bad thinking on my part. Like you said we are playing poker to make money and staying just for the sake of giving players opportunities to cooler you and get their money back doesn't make good business sense. So part of my new years resolutions are to get up when ive made a good profit and not worry about looking like a jerk. It's money youve earned so you can do what you want with it.
 
Unashamed88 said:
Well simply, Pro's don't need to hit and run. Hit and run is indeed poor etiquette.

Think about it this way. If your used to stacking off and running away how are you ever gonna be a pro? Being a pro means at all stack sizes you can play your A game. If your leaking after you double or triple up it's probably because you've either opened up your range too much or your seeing too many showdowns or worse... Both!
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I can see your point, but when do pros determine that it's time to go? I've been watching a ton of poker blogs lately and I see the pros grinding for hours and sometimes end up booking a buy-in or less, when they may have been up 4x or 5x. I know poker is not "gambling" in the sense of other casino table games, but the numbers show the longer you stay, the more you tend to lose.
 
Txrumrunner said:
Howdy All! This is my first post been a rec player for years, but thinking of trying the pro route.
Would like to hear thoughts on "hit and run" play in cash games. Alot of times you can sit at a table and very quickly double or triple your buy-in. What's the pros and cons of just walking away and booking a win at that point, even if you just been at the table for 20 mins?
I've heard it is really bad poker etiquette to do that, but if your ultimate goal is to be a winning player, why would you sit around and get stuck just to say that you grinded 10 hours, when you could leave earlier with a profit? Thanks in advance.
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Cash game poker is a journey though. Each hand is unique from the last. If the table has weak players with a HUGE stack you want to have a HUGE stack so that you can potentially take their stack.

I would leave a table if I feel that I am not playing my A game or if the table has no decent action on it.

Now there are some players that leave instantly after double ups. They usually focus on short stack play. It all depends on your comfort zone. If you are capable of playing deeper stacks I would recommend it, but it's going to depend on your playstyle.
 
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I can see your point, but when do pros determine that it's time to go? I've been watching a ton of poker blogs lately and I see the pros grinding for hours and sometimes end up booking a buy-in or less, when they may have been up 4x or 5x. I know poker is not "gambling" in the sense of other casino table games, but the numbers show the longer you stay, the more you tend to lose.
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It isn't about stack size of when to leave. It's about your mental state. The only time you should ever walk away is if you are clearly the fish, you are tilted, or you are fatigued.

You said quote "the numbers show the longer you stay, the more you tend to lose" this is a false statement. More than likely I am assuming from personal experience at the tables and watching pro live streams? If the statement you made was in fact true. You would see NO pros grinding for long periods of time. Your experiences are just a limited and small sample size. This is why these communities are important. So we can share our small and limited sample sizes and culminate a large and vast sampling to pull from.

Do not get discouraged my friend. Keep grinding and studying and your breakthrough will come! Let's play Poker!!!
 
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Just do whatever is comfortable for you. You are playing to win money. You are playing for yourself.
 
Txrumrunner said:
Howdy All! This is my first post been a rec player for years, but thinking of trying the pro route.
Would like to hear thoughts on "hit and run" play in cash games. Alot of times you can sit at a table and very quickly double or triple your buy-in. What's the pros and cons of just walking away and booking a win at that point, even if you just been at the table for 20 mins?
I've heard it is really bad poker etiquette to do that, but if your ultimate goal is to be a winning player, why would you sit around and get stuck just to say that you grinded 10 hours, when you could leave earlier with a profit? Thanks in advance.
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Did a thread on this topic a couple months ago.

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/hit-run-401377/

I've since then lighten up and become somewhat of a hit and runner hitter myself 😀. I thought it was bad etiquette...apparently not so!
 
Lol if you can do profitable hit and run go for it. Just remember to count overall profit too, not only those times you win.
 
If you won for you want to change the table, then no problem. If you have chosen the tactics of online games then your case also does not matter😉
 
Hit and running is douchey. Legal yes, will it get people a little heated with you. You bet.

I don't ever sit down thinking about hit and running. I generally sit down for a certain amount of time whether I'm sun-running or getting my face kicked in.

I have had to stop a session early from time to time because IRL stuff came up but I can say I don't think I have ever hit and run a table.
 
I don't think it is bad your goal is to win and win only who cares if the other guys feelings gets hurt he sat at your table know he could lose money today or tonight when he took that seat didn't he? Well when you play poker the object is to win money and take it with you isn't it so I say take the money and run while the getting is good wheather that is 20 minutes in or 10 hours later it depend on weather the game and table is still rich and ripe for the picking is there still money to be had at that table? Is there still a fish at the table? Is the table loose or thight? What is going on at the table now? all this factors in if you want to stay at the table any long after you make the big score. and if there are more negatives then positives to your answers just leave the table and find another one to take profits from.
 
Txrumrunner said:
Howdy All! This is my first post been a rec player for years, but thinking of trying the pro route.
Would like to hear thoughts on "hit and run" play in cash games. Alot of times you can sit at a table and very quickly double or triple your buy-in. What's the pros and cons of just walking away and booking a win at that point, even if you just been at the table for 20 mins?
I've heard it is really bad poker etiquette to do that, but if your ultimate goal is to be a winning player, why would you sit around and get stuck just to say that you grinded 10 hours, when you could leave earlier with a profit? Thanks in advance.
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Only to come back tomorrow and start the deck exactly where you left?
There's no difference that you leave today with $200 profit and come back the next time and start from +$200. What's the difference of staying for couple more hours and continue from your little +$200 profit?

Your "hit and run" (H&R) is simply an incorrect strategy. This is not just my opinion, this is simply incorrect. If you will play in a game where you have the advantage, the more you play, the more you win. If you play in a game where you have the disadvantage, the more you play the more you will lose. There’s no way of getting around that.

If there was such a thing as getting around having an advantage simply by H&R. You could go to the crap table and win using your little strategy of H&R by money management. In other words by quitting at the right time or not quitting at the right time but you cannot do that.

Money management is a completely spurious idea as far as when you quit or when you don’t quit. The only thing that matters when you are gambling is to gamble when the odds are in your favor, when you are the best player, when you figure to win. And when you are in that situation play as long as you can. When you are not in that situation quit at the first opportunity. That’s really all there is to say.
 
Unashamed88 said:
Well simply, Pro's don't need to hit and run. Hit and run is indeed poor etiquette.

Think about it this way. If your used to stacking off and running away how are you ever gonna be a pro? Being a pro means at all stack sizes you can play your A game. If your leaking after you double or triple up it's probably because you've either opened up your range too much or your seeing too many showdowns or worse... Both!
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Agree with you if you are able to double or triple quickly doesn't mean you must leave there. If you are pro you will be good enough to keep making profit by staying at same table hit and run is just weak play.
 
R1temp said:
Guys, I have a question: when you need to get up from the table?
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you have to see poker like a single game that is never ending. so the fact that you leave up or down for one session isnt relevant.

what is relevant is the way you play. for example if you have a big stack and are afraid to play cuz u dont wanna lose it. yes leave. the opposite is true too, if the fact of having a big stack make you play more loose and bad. yea just leave.

but if you arent tired, there's still fishes in the game. and you are still playing well, just stay until one of these conditions isnt met.
 
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