You have to change with the times.In the 1990s, you could almost always see a flop with no pre flop raise. As the years went by, more and more pf raising happened with 1 or no callers.Now, there are hardly any times w/o a raise or 3 bet or 4 bet pf. Gotta change gears or get left in the dust.
methtree said:
Yeah. I mean there were times when people thought JT was the best starting hand.
But now with all the computer simulations and solvers, people get an idea of the equity distribution of a starting hand.
You won't ever see a cheap flop with Qtrash suited from MP again...and if you do, you know you are sitting in a gold mine 🙂
In cash game that might have some value.PLAYFUL1 said:
But in tournament thats very negative ev play!
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If we all like to win a tournament feel the feeling of winning a tournament to beat someone who has made you angry by winning with the hand that seemed weak to see that last letter that made you the strongest hand or the first but is less complicated the tables heandsup is easier but also easier to lose
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Limpin on Cash Games I will put it to you in these word ''Rookie Mistake'' It might seems temting or a way to see a cheap flop but the reality is that is not profitable if you want to improve your game you must stop limping every time you get into a pot it should be in an agressive way and looking to win the most out of the situation (EV+) Or reduces your losses when the variance is just not to your side hehehe ... wish you good luck on the tables! hope this helps you improve your game
Chief talking bull said:
That is one way too look at it... This is implying that you are limping the top of your range I'm assuming? if not why limp... just to offer a good price to get ATC to call and out flop you? Makes narrowing the range much much harder...
I limp with trash but potential hands against very fishy players oop practically this means that I have a hand like 75s while SB and BB is super passive caller. 75s is not a hand I would normally open against passive player oop so limping widens my range from normal and the goal is to see the flop. This might be same idea than they have in tourneys, but not sure. Happens in my levels 6 max around maybe one in 2k hands. Comments?
I used to trap limp against agros in regular tables, but that came too common and no-one falls that anymore in 6 max and also given my current stats it's not logical thing to do making it too obvious.
I used to trap limp against agros in regular tables, but that came too common and no-one falls that anymore in 6 max and also given my current stats it's not logical thing to do making it too obvious.
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There is no answer to, "is limping in live games profitable". It depends on the table, your position, your table image, how tight/loose your table is, your confidence in your ability to play correctly post flop & what hand your limping with. like limping aj off in mp2 or limping in to set mine with 66 from utg. lots of factors here and like in everything poker..."it depends".
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Spewster said:
Against an aggro-fish, openning our 4bet would be a good idea but how would you play if he isnt a fish but someone who knows what he's doing? How would you adapt to this player if you dont have the option of playing a different table?
tiltmonster12 said:
In general, limping is - in the games current status- just an outright losing play, because it's almost impossible to balance your limping range, you have no initiative in the hand and you let the BB play without extracting information.
And by limping we mean either calling the BB to open or completing the SB. Being the 5th caller on the button with 98s is not limping.
The only way that comes to my mind where limping makes sense is limp raising in EP.
So if the player is not a fish, you'd have to find his weak spot. If he has a solid preflop game, you also have to play solid preflop and stack him in a different spot. You just cant say "well, I play GTO against fish, but when there is a shark coming along, I better adapt and play highly exploitable lines"
If you cant find his weak spots, you're not making money against this guy, so you'd avoid getting into hands with him.
Poker is a game of skill and if the other guy plays better or his style upsets you cause it's out of your comfort zone...power to him. He win, you lose.
And preflop is only 1st base. Think about what you are going to do, when you figure out, he's not riverbluffing often enough.
Personally a lot of the time I never limp in but there is occasionally times where your playing against super aggro players who will squeeze limps at every opportunity so when you pick up a big hand you can come over the top that said they would probably raise over your 3 bet anyway so I would say most of the time limping isn't great as you want the pot to grow with these premium hands
Not sure
I don't limp with my premium hands. I always raise with these hands to thin out the number of players to see the flop. I prefer to only face one or two players at the flop or beyond. When I used to limp in; I would trapped myself into a big loss.
I don't limp with my premium hands. I always raise with these hands to thin out the number of players to see the flop. I prefer to only face one or two players at the flop or beyond. When I used to limp in; I would trapped myself into a big loss.