Live Grind: How to Fall Asleep at the Table (Without Getting Caught)
spookah123 said:I like to share a hand I played in a like tourney a few days ago.
Blinds are 1000, 2000 and I'm on about 75,000. To my left is an extremely aggressive player who is talking a lot, he probably pretty drunk. I'm sitting in the CO, there is a limper UTG and it folds to me. I am holding
Flop comes
Turn comes
I proclaim "Are you trying to bluff me, sir?" Trying to get a response, can't get anything off him that way. I think to myself that this hand makes no sense, a set would bet the flop and so would a king probably. Did he bink a set on the turn? I realised that the two reds on the board were actually the same suit. I studied his body language and he was breathing rapidly, this had to be a bluff.
I call and he flips over
River comes
I lost later in the tourney to top set vs my top pair and flush draw.
Welcome to the thread! I don't mind people posting the occasional hand in here, so long as they actively participate or if it's related to a hand in the thread. Yours is neither, and I'm not really sure why you posted. You already have 39 posts so maybe you've posted so few "quality posts" that you had to aim for some that appeared to be actually relevant.
Either way, feel free to stick around if you'd like (though I have a sneaking suspicion you won't) and actually get a feel for what the thread's about.
BenjiHustle said:
Might be overkill. But then again might be spot on.
BenjiHustle said:
<3 Haha I know. Thanks for the backup 🙂
I just think it's funny people manage to find this thread - probably one of the threads on CC with the least randomness. Like we shoot the shit a bit in here, but it's mostly on-task.
Then some random comes in looking for 30 quality posts and such. 😀
zEric7x said:
Villain flopped bottom set (and partially blocks QQ). Hard to criticize him for getting it in on the flop there in a 3 bet pot. It'd be flatting a 3 bet CO vs BTN with that hand you'd raise an eyebrow at (depending on sizing and if that was in fact how the action went blah blah).
BenjiHustle said:
I lol'd. Thanks for making me feel better about my poker-life. 🙂
xdeuceswild81xx said:
Yeah, I'm working on it - arrannit's got me working on some gii-with-the-nuts techniques. Still working it out obv - can only manage to gii with all but one card left in the deck being a win for me.
zEric7x said:
DunningKruger said:
Yeah, DK beat me to it. 🙂 It's def not his postflop gii that's bad, it's preflop. And yes, that was really the action! He opens to 3x the BB, I pot it ldo. But postflop it's just a super cooler that turned into the second worst bad beat possible. 1-outer AIOTF. 😀
honestly, not to be a nit, but postflop probably really isn't great either. If I remember correctly, stacking bottom set w/no redraw is pretty bad. like maybe since stacks weren't quite full for him it's okay, but stacking just bottom set on this board really just runs us into like higher sets and massive wrap draws where were like flipping at best.
Maybe marg can drop by and elaborate, but from what I remember, this would be a pretty bad spot to just stack bottom set idk.
edit: Not you, you are fine, I meant his stack post 🙂
Maybe marg can drop by and elaborate, but from what I remember, this would be a pretty bad spot to just stack bottom set idk.
edit: Not you, you are fine, I meant his stack post 🙂
xdeuceswild81xx said:
JCgrind said:
Haha weeeeeeeee. I mean tbf in these games, people's 3betting ranges warp soooo much to AAxx that I can't blame anyone stacking two pair+ vs. a 3betting range. But I hear you. He blocks QQ tbf but at the same time his shove does feel kind of optimistic. In theory AAxx can bet/fold this board I guess?
But for real deuces - did you ever play PLO on bovada? You should sit a few hands at 25 or 50 for funsies. It's so redic.
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Edit: btw, I lol'd at this:
I was worried about stacking off top set + oesd, so I'm glad it was okay 😉
yeah stacking 2p is going to be really terrible in 3b pots once people stop only 3betting AAxx and even then, that's like what a 60/40 w/ 2p v AAxx. That's why I think PLO is so challenging, spots like stacking bottom set is fine in nl, but in PLO it's easy to just write it off as a cooler and not realize what your doing is wrong bc you'll honestly probably never play enough hands to like actually hit the "long run" and figure out that said play is wrong .
Anyways, I'm sure PLO on bovada is lolbad. If there was decent traffic, I'd think about jumping back in. The swings were pretty brutal though and I'd definitely have to start at 25 plo to get my feet wet again, but definitely could be interesting.
xdeuceswild81xx said:
Yeah no redraw hurts but at 10/25 on Bovada I really doubt that in general you can do anything else than get it in there for not even a full buy in. If the pool is nitty enough to actually make it a losing play in a 3bet pot then the call pre becomes 14 times more stupid than it already is. At the very least we should be playing hands in such a manner that doesn't contradict itself over different streets, or it's just poor planning regardless of your opponent and his tendencies. Like you might as well just open fold otf after donating the pot sized reraise.
I'm eager to hear what the guy who said it was lolbad would do there post. Check/fold? Call down oop? This should be good.
Oh and pointing out he had bottom set was just a correction for Eric who seemed to have the impression villain was doing this with two pair. Didn't mean that it was a fist pump or anything.
yeah I mean the flat pre is lolbad which set up the hand to play out this way. I think that's why tons of PLO regs say that preflop is like 100000x more important in PLO than NLH bc we get in spots like this where like you said, you don't want to contradict yourself by foregoing a strategy otf or turn that you had in mind up to that point.
Your right, I mean like for what 90 bbs or so, not even, obv it's a stack otf lol, I just meant like people see this and think "oh what a sick cooler set over set!" but that happens so much in PLO that it's not going to really be correct in lots of spots to just insta stack a set w/no redraw since your going to just get crushed doing that.
I always think of the micros as a way to build fundamentals. It's essentially practice for the real deal one day. If your building bad fundamentals early on, then it will be that much harder to improve/get better later on. Idk, I guess that's a bit of a tangent from the issue at hand, so I digress, but I just was trying to show the point that PLO is incredibly complicated. It looks so easy on it's face, like just peddle the nuts around, but then you get spots like this where if it was two regs for more than 100bbs, it's an absolutely awful spot to stack is all.
Sorry if that's long and convoluted lol, I just like talking about PLO
edit: but what do I know, he ended up making quads so obv villain understands the game better than I do 🙂
Your right, I mean like for what 90 bbs or so, not even, obv it's a stack otf lol, I just meant like people see this and think "oh what a sick cooler set over set!" but that happens so much in PLO that it's not going to really be correct in lots of spots to just insta stack a set w/no redraw since your going to just get crushed doing that.
I always think of the micros as a way to build fundamentals. It's essentially practice for the real deal one day. If your building bad fundamentals early on, then it will be that much harder to improve/get better later on. Idk, I guess that's a bit of a tangent from the issue at hand, so I digress, but I just was trying to show the point that PLO is incredibly complicated. It looks so easy on it's face, like just peddle the nuts around, but then you get spots like this where if it was two regs for more than 100bbs, it's an absolutely awful spot to stack is all.
Sorry if that's long and convoluted lol, I just like talking about PLO
edit: but what do I know, he ended up making quads so obv villain understands the game better than I do 🙂
Pretty much agree with all your thoughts there. I could maybe type out a bunch of stuff about how preflop mistakes (of which there are tons in PLO) get compounded post or how otoh making seemingly weak plays pre (once in a blue moon) is an inexpensive and remarkably effective way to advertise and generally screw people sideways on your ranges, but anyway I don't have time for any of that 'cause I need to submit this asap to make sure I get the 1000th post in this topic.
Edit: Yeah 1000th post suckers. Btw I keep imagining that episode from "the micros" being played out here where Scourrge and this other dude play hu4rollz in front of thousands of people, and Matt takes the 4 of spades from the deck and literally rips it into pieces that flutter to the ground while a growing look of sheer terror materializes on the face of his opponent.
Edit: Yeah 1000th post suckers. Btw I keep imagining that episode from "the micros" being played out here where Scourrge and this other dude play hu4rollz in front of thousands of people, and Matt takes the 4 of spades from the deck and literally rips it into pieces that flutter to the ground while a growing look of sheer terror materializes on the face of his opponent.
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