Live Grind: How to Fall Asleep at the Table (Without Getting Caught)

Logan2 · Oct 4, 2014

Thanks for take the time to answer Matt

The volume issues have lot of sense to swings be longer.

Scourrge said:
There's no rakeback on Bovada. I effectively get 1% rb through the player points system.

And i though 888 cash-back system was shitty as they only give 2% back on first 5 vip levels...

BenjiHustle · Oct 4, 2014

WHY?!^^^

Why are people trolling your thread so willingly and joyfully?!

GTFO! Nobody gives a shit what you proclaimed you damn retarded ape.

Matt Vaughan · Oct 4, 2014

spookah123 said:
I like to share a hand I played in a like tourney a few days ago.

Blinds are 1000, 2000 and I'm on about 75,000. To my left is an extremely aggressive player who is talking a lot, he probably pretty drunk. I'm sitting in the CO, there is a limper UTG and it folds to me. I am holding . I raise 9k and get two callers.

Flop comes . It gets checked around.
Turn comes . UTG checks, I bet 10k, and the BTN shoves (he has me covered)

I proclaim "Are you trying to bluff me, sir?" Trying to get a response, can't get anything off him that way. I think to myself that this hand makes no sense, a set would bet the flop and so would a king probably. Did he bink a set on the turn? I realised that the two reds on the board were actually the same suit. I studied his body language and he was breathing rapidly, this had to be a bluff.

I call and he flips over :td4: . (ATdd)

River comes and I win the pot.

I lost later in the tourney to top set vs my top pair and flush draw.

Welcome to the thread! I don't mind people posting the occasional hand in here, so long as they actively participate or if it's related to a hand in the thread. Yours is neither, and I'm not really sure why you posted. You already have 39 posts so maybe you've posted so few "quality posts" that you had to aim for some that appeared to be actually relevant.

Either way, feel free to stick around if you'd like (though I have a sneaking suspicion you won't) and actually get a feel for what the thread's about.

BenjiHustle said:
WHY?!^^^

Why are people trolling your thread so willingly and joyfully?!

GTFO! Nobody gives a shit what you proclaimed you damn retarded ape.

Might be overkill. But then again might be spot on.

BenjiHustle · Oct 4, 2014

I'm just mad because he didn't even acknowledge that it's your thread. He simply threw down some hand that's a tournament hand in a cash thread. Rawr.

Matt Vaughan · Oct 4, 2014

BenjiHustle said:
I'm just mad because he didn't even acknowledge that it's your thread. He simply threw down some hand that's a tournament hand in a cash thread. Rawr.

<3 Haha I know. Thanks for the backup

I just think it's funny people manage to find this thread - probably one of the threads on CC with the least randomness. Like we shoot the shit a bit in here, but it's mostly on-task.

Then some random comes in looking for 30 quality posts and such.

zEric7x · Oct 4, 2014

BenjiHustle said:
WHY?!^^^

Why are people trolling your thread so willingly and joyfully?!

Well, when you put it that way you make it sound fun.

I get what you are saying though. I know I get off topic sometimes but I just like posting with people.

Matt Vaughan · Oct 5, 2014

3b pot, this went in on the flop:

I'm weirdly not tilted. When this happens in PLO it happens too fast for me to even register it emotionally.

xdeucesx · Oct 5, 2014

Hard to be tilted when you lose less than stacks at what like a 90/10? 95/5?

Sucks, but could have been deep and/or for stacks lol

Matt Vaughan · Oct 5, 2014

Yeah you're right. I should L2gii with 100% equity.

DunningKruger · Oct 5, 2014

pic of the day

BenjiHustle · Oct 5, 2014

Case everything, everywhere.

How can you be tilted when you're witnessing something worthy of Ripley's Believe It or Not?

xdeucesx · Oct 5, 2014

Scourrge said:
Yeah you're right. I should L2gii with 100% equity.

that's how the pros do it

zEric7x · Oct 5, 2014

Well if your adjusting to highest variance at least that is a good thing. Crazy how they play two pair like the nuts. I know enough about PLO to least not do that even thought I consider myself a PLO fish.

DunningKruger · Oct 5, 2014

zEric7x said:
Well if your adjusting to highest variance at least that is a good thing. Crazy how they play two pair like the nuts. I know enough about PLO to least not do that even thought I consider myself a PLO fish.

Villain flopped bottom set (and partially blocks QQ). Hard to criticize him for getting it in on the flop there in a 3 bet pot. It'd be flatting a 3 bet CO vs BTN with that hand you'd raise an eyebrow at (depending on sizing and if that was in fact how the action went blah blah).

Matt Vaughan · Oct 5, 2014

BenjiHustle said:
Case everything, everywhere.

How can you be tilted when you're witnessing something worthy of Ripley's Believe It or Not?

I lol'd. Thanks for making me feel better about my poker-life.

xdeuceswild81xx said:
that's how the pros do it

Yeah, I'm working on it - arrannit's got me working on some gii-with-the-nuts techniques. Still working it out obv - can only manage to gii with all but one card left in the deck being a win for me.

zEric7x said:
Well if your adjusting to highest variance at least that is a good thing. Crazy how they play two pair like the nuts. I know enough about PLO to least not do that even thought I consider myself a PLO fish.

DunningKruger said:
Villain flopped bottom set (and partially blocks QQ). Hard to criticize him for getting it in on the flop there in a 3 bet pot. It'd be flatting a 3 bet CO vs BTN with that hand you'd raise an eyebrow at (depending on sizing and if that was in fact how the action went blah blah).

Yeah, DK beat me to it.

It's def not his postflop gii that's bad, it's preflop. And yes, that was really the action! He opens to 3x the BB, I pot it ldo. But postflop it's just a super cooler that turned into the second worst bad beat possible. 1-outer AIOTF.

xdeucesx · Oct 5, 2014

honestly, not to be a nit, but postflop probably really isn't great either. If I remember correctly, stacking bottom set w/no redraw is pretty bad. like maybe since stacks weren't quite full for him it's okay, but stacking just bottom set on this board really just runs us into like higher sets and massive wrap draws where were like flipping at best.

Maybe marg can drop by and elaborate, but from what I remember, this would be a pretty bad spot to just stack bottom set idk.

edit: Not you, you are fine, I meant his stack post

JCgrind · Oct 6, 2014

^ what deuces said. its lolbad

Matt Vaughan · Oct 6, 2014

xdeuceswild81xx said:
honestly, not to be a nit, but postflop probably really isn't great either. If I remember correctly, stacking bottom set w/no redraw is pretty bad. like maybe since stacks weren't quite full for him it's okay, but stacking just bottom set on this board really just runs us into like higher sets and massive wrap draws where were like flipping at best.

Maybe marg can drop by and elaborate, but from what I remember, this would be a pretty bad spot to just stack bottom set idk.

edit: Not you, you are fine, I meant his stack post

JCgrind said:
^ what deuces said. its lolbad

Haha weeeeeeeee. I mean tbf in these games, people's 3betting ranges warp soooo much to AAxx that I can't blame anyone stacking two pair+ vs. a 3betting range. But I hear you. He blocks QQ tbf but at the same time his shove does feel kind of optimistic. In theory AAxx can bet/fold this board I guess?

But for real deuces - did you ever play PLO on bovada? You should sit a few hands at 25 or 50 for funsies. It's so redic.

:dancing: :dancing: :dancing:
:dancing: :dancing: :dancing:
:dancing: :dancing: :dancing:

Edit: btw, I lol'd at this:

edit: Not you, you are fine, I meant his stack post

I was worried about stacking off top set + oesd, so I'm glad it was okay

xdeucesx · Oct 6, 2014

yeah stacking 2p is going to be really terrible in 3b pots once people stop only 3betting AAxx and even then, that's like what a 60/40 w/ 2p v AAxx. That's why I think PLO is so challenging, spots like stacking bottom set is fine in nl, but in PLO it's easy to just write it off as a cooler and not realize what your doing is wrong bc you'll honestly probably never play enough hands to like actually hit the "long run" and figure out that said play is wrong .

xdeucesx · Oct 6, 2014

Anyways, I'm sure PLO on bovada is lolbad. If there was decent traffic, I'd think about jumping back in. The swings were pretty brutal though and I'd definitely have to start at 25 plo to get my feet wet again, but definitely could be interesting.

Logan2 · Oct 6, 2014

Man luck is so mean to you that even improve your set to a str8 on turn just to spew in your face with the 1 outer on river.

Time to do a clean of aura or something because it look you are a magnet for bad luck.

DunningKruger · Oct 6, 2014

xdeuceswild81xx said:
honestly, not to be a nit, but postflop probably really isn't great either. If I remember correctly, stacking bottom set w/no redraw is pretty bad. like maybe since stacks weren't quite full for him it's okay, but stacking just bottom set on this board really just runs us into like higher sets and massive wrap draws where were like flipping at best.

Yeah no redraw hurts but at 10/25 on Bovada I really doubt that in general you can do anything else than get it in there for not even a full buy in. If the pool is nitty enough to actually make it a losing play in a 3bet pot then the call pre becomes 14 times more stupid than it already is. At the very least we should be playing hands in such a manner that doesn't contradict itself over different streets, or it's just poor planning regardless of your opponent and his tendencies. Like you might as well just open fold otf after donating the pot sized reraise.

I'm eager to hear what the guy who said it was lolbad would do there post. Check/fold? Call down oop? This should be good.

Oh and pointing out he had bottom set was just a correction for Eric who seemed to have the impression villain was doing this with two pair. Didn't mean that it was a fist pump or anything.

xdeucesx · Oct 6, 2014

yeah I mean the flat pre is lolbad which set up the hand to play out this way. I think that's why tons of PLO regs say that preflop is like 100000x more important in PLO than NLH bc we get in spots like this where like you said, you don't want to contradict yourself by foregoing a strategy otf or turn that you had in mind up to that point.

Your right, I mean like for what 90 bbs or so, not even, obv it's a stack otf lol, I just meant like people see this and think "oh what a sick cooler set over set!" but that happens so much in PLO that it's not going to really be correct in lots of spots to just insta stack a set w/no redraw since your going to just get crushed doing that.

I always think of the micros as a way to build fundamentals. It's essentially practice for the real deal one day. If your building bad fundamentals early on, then it will be that much harder to improve/get better later on. Idk, I guess that's a bit of a tangent from the issue at hand, so I digress, but I just was trying to show the point that PLO is incredibly complicated. It looks so easy on it's face, like just peddle the nuts around, but then you get spots like this where if it was two regs for more than 100bbs, it's an absolutely awful spot to stack is all.

Sorry if that's long and convoluted lol, I just like talking about PLO

edit: but what do I know, he ended up making quads so obv villain understands the game better than I do

DunningKruger · Oct 6, 2014

Pretty much agree with all your thoughts there. I could maybe type out a bunch of stuff about how preflop mistakes (of which there are tons in PLO) get compounded post or how otoh making seemingly weak plays pre (once in a blue moon) is an inexpensive and remarkably effective way to advertise and generally screw people sideways on your ranges, but anyway I don't have time for any of that 'cause I need to submit this asap to make sure I get the 1000th post in this topic.

Edit: Yeah 1000th post suckers. Btw I keep imagining that episode from "the micros" being played out here where Scourrge and this other dude play hu4rollz in front of thousands of people, and Matt takes the 4 of spades from the deck and literally rips it into pieces that flutter to the ground while a growing look of sheer terror materializes on the face of his opponent.

JCgrind · Oct 6, 2014

stacking bottom set is lolbad in PLO unless youre stacking it vs an aggro fish. calling a 3b pre OOP w Q448r is even worse. so yeah, what id do as villain? fold pre.

EDIT: and thats a HUGE statement coming from me lol

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