Losing all my day earning cash game (0.01¢/0.02¢)

imnoobpoker · Mar 10, 2017

Hi forum,

Started playing Poker two weeks ago. Finished the Pokerstars school and I'm playing like 3 hours a day on Poker888. I thought, that website will suite me better then Pokerstars, because they have more hard-hitters. But oke, so I'm playing for like for 2 weeks now and I'm facing bankroll problems.

Let's say: I start at 10am in the morning and after half an hour I made like 1$. But later that day, I lose it again and it's not because I'm tired but everybody at 0.01¢ is playing on the draw or I don't know why. So next day I made again 1$ and then I lose it again... I know, that I'm not a star but everything what I earn I lose the same day or maybe lose more then I earned

Hope that you guys can help me

braveslice · Mar 10, 2017

How often you take breaks? Usually one hour is max one can maintain A game, for new player I would guess the A game slot is even shorter. And to be winning new player you really need to have A game on, because your B game is probably not yet enough to make money.

jashiggs · Mar 10, 2017

Whats your bankroll

scorpi224 · Mar 10, 2017

I would suggest trying sit and go's or low buy in tournaments instead of cash games maybe if you are losing in cash games every time ...

kygamblr09 · Mar 10, 2017

i'm sure i will meet resistance on this but i don't think there is a sure fire way to keep your winnings and be able to play everyday thruout the day and win. I find no matter the situation i try to present myself with it always results in the same thing. I win 1 day and lose the rest of the month. Overall that is. It's the nature of the game i say. Others you here saying "Its rigged website", "robots ", "House players", etc.etc.etc.. I truly believe that its very hard to be a consistent winner no matter what level, players, robots, or rigged sites(which by the way i think is funny). Winning on a consistent basis is just like playing a tourney. If you can figure out when to play junk at the right time ( you know when you have 84 off and your 1st to act and you fold as you should but then the flop comes 844 with 4 all ins and you would have won a huge pot at the right time to get you to the final table) then i think you can figure out the exact time to sit and play and win or better yet the exact time when not to play and keep your winning ways rolling. Either way Gl and i wish you the best

braveslice · Mar 10, 2017

kygamblr09 said:
i... but i don't think there is a sure fire way to keep your winnings and be able to play everyday thruout the day and win.

As funny as it sounds kygamblr09 has a point. No poker player can win every day. There is one way to win more than lose though, and that is to practice and study. For example I have won this month 3 days, and lost one day. Last month I lost 3 days, and won 10 days.

doom · Mar 10, 2017

rake is high on nl2 so big part of your profit just go to rake also try pokercam tables you can play only 1 that table so most players on them just playing for fun with friends or something like that

andyt5303 · Mar 10, 2017

Considering you've only been playing for a few weeks I would recommend focusing on low buy in tournaments instead of cash. Tournament poker is much more straight-forward and is more suitable for new players because you don't get the craziness you sometimes see in cash games.

Even though you might make money faster playing cash it's certainly harder compared to tournament poker. Tourneys will help you slowly but surely increase your bankroll early on, once you have a reasonable bankroll you can then think about transitioning back over to cash.

ParagonPoker · Mar 10, 2017

Mulittabling helps to deal with the variance. Try building your focus and playing three tables at once. Then you'll make steady pennies rather than 1 pound jumps and dips.

braveslice · Mar 10, 2017

Multitabling is one of the bad adviced for new players.

imnoobpoker · Mar 11, 2017

First of all, thank you so much for all your reactions! #AMAZING! Yesterday I lost in the morning my earning again (2$), but I found the "zoom" game in Poker888: SNAP. And I have all my earnings back. Maybe I should start playing SNAP only haha.

braveslice said:
How often you take breaks? Usually one hour is max one can maintain A game, for new player I would guess the A game slot is even shorter. And to be winning new player you really need to have A game on, because your B game is probably not yet enough to make money.

After 1 hour of play I take a break. It is good to take rest, that is why a take breaks between the games. Like I play 1 hour in the morning, afternoon and 1 hour in the evening.

jashiggs said:
Whats your bankroll

Not much, $20. I only play 0.01/0.02 for this reason. I need to learn first the game.

scorpi224 said:
I would suggest trying sit and go's or low buy in tournaments instead of cash games maybe if you are losing in cash games every time ...

I'm gonna try that, thank you for the tip. Already played 2/3 tournaments, but low level tournament are not really enjoyable. When a tournament is 1¢, people rebuy and rebuy and stack other people haha.

andyt5303 said:
Considering you've only been playing for a few weeks I would recommend focusing on low buy in tournaments instead of cash. Tournament poker is much more straight-forward and is more suitable for new players because you don't get the craziness you sometimes see in cash games.

Even though you might make money faster playing cash it's certainly harder compared to tournament poker. Tourneys will help you slowly but surely increase your bankroll early on, once you have a reasonable bankroll you can then think about transitioning back over to cash.

Thank you for the tip!

ParagonPoker said:
Mulittabling helps to deal with the variance. Try building your focus and playing three tables at once. Then you'll make steady pennies rather than 1 pound jumps and dips.

I think this is not a really good idea for a beginner. First I need to gain the experience, than I can start playing multi-table.

Just_a_Tom · Mar 11, 2017

I've been playing poker for so many years and I am still learning. I believe it was very wise of you to study the game before actually putting your money at risk. If I would have studied the game when I first started, I would have saved myself thousands of dollars. I guess I was too ignorant to read a book about poker. I always thought to myself "What can a book possible teach me about poker that I don't already know?" But there is so much more to the game than I realized. Don't concern yourself too much about winning or losing right now, your focus point should be learning from your wins and losses. By no means does that mean I suggest you make foolish bets and play in donkey mode just because the stakes are small. After your done with your session, you should watch some replays of previous hands, even the ones that were not a success. This can be a beneficial learning tool for everyone, not just beginners. By doing this you will be able to criticize your own play and make adjustments where needed.

10058765 · Mar 11, 2017

First of all....no player, no matter how good they are, wins consistently.
There will always be losing sessions, days, weeks and even months.....it's the nature of the game.....

Though, we should not look at short-term results and even a month is short-term, unless you play an enormous amount of hands, which can only be done with multi-tabling.

This in general.

Though, looking at OP's post.....well.....I've seen numerous posts like that, been thinking of it and actually sometimes deal with the same problem.

I think for most players, it has to do with confidence.
Ofcourse, sometimes you get unlucky and lose it with your AA or KK starting hand or by getting rivered by that 1- 2- 3- 4- or 6-outer.

Though, the main problem lot of players suffer is when being on a profit and so being confident, widening their range of starting hands.
Especially beginning players who can't be expected to be stong post-flop players, should play a tight range of hands and.......profit or not, should stick to that.
It might be boring but will protect your stack.
At micro-levels, don't get fancy...play TAG and stick to that.

Further I'd say, set a limit for your session.....
For example....set a quitting limit for time, numbers of hands and max losing BI.
Like before starting a session, make a deal with yourself like: "I take a break after playing an hour or 100 hands or when I lost 3 buy-ins, whatever comes first"......something like that.

terryk · Mar 11, 2017

I played freerolls and with play money for a few yrs before i even attemped to play with real money,,,,i`m sorry,but two weeks? and you expect to play with people who have been doing it for years is pretty dumb,,,but everyone does things a bit different so,,,,good luck and i hope to see you at the tables,i will gladly take your $ :joyman:

imnoobpoker · Mar 11, 2017

Just_a_Tom said:
I've been playing poker for so many years and I am still learning. I believe it was very wise of you to study the game before actually putting your money at risk. If I would have studied the game when I first started, I would have saved myself thousands of dollars. I guess I was too ignorant to read a book about poker. I always thought to myself "What can a book possible teach me about poker that I don't already know?" But there is so much more to the game than I realized. Don't concern yourself too much about winning or losing right now, your focus point should be learning from your wins and losses. By no means does that mean I suggest you make foolish bets and play in donkey mode just because the stakes are small. After your done with your session, you should watch some replays of previous hands, even the ones that were not a success. This can be a beneficial learning tool for everyone, not just beginners. By doing this you will be able to criticize your own play and make adjustments where needed.

Which book do you recommend for a beginner?

10058765 said:
First of all....no player, no matter how good they are, wins consistently.
There will always be losing sessions, days, weeks and even months.....it's the nature of the game.....

Though, we should not look at short-term results and even a month is short-term, unless you play an enormous amount of hands, which can only be done with multi-tabling.

This in general.

Though, looking at OP's post.....well.....I've seen numerous posts like that, been thinking of it and actually sometimes deal with the same problem.

I think for most players, it has to do with confidence.
Ofcourse, sometimes you get unlucky and lose it with your AA or KK starting hand or by getting rivered by that 1- 2- 3- 4- or 6-outer.

Though, the main problem lot of players suffer is when being on a profit and so being confident, widening their range of starting hands.
Especially beginning players who can't be expected to be stong post-flop players, should play a tight range of hands and.......profit or not, should stick to that.
It might be boring but will protect your stack.
At micro-levels, don't get fancy...play TAG and stick to that.

Further I'd say, set a limit for your session.....
For example....set a quitting limit for time, numbers of hands and max losing BI.
Like before starting a session, make a deal with yourself like: "I take a break after playing an hour or 100 hands or when I lost 3 buy-ins, whatever comes first"......something like that.

Thank you so much for your reaction! I will follow your advice.

terryk said:
I played freerolls and with play money for a few yrs before i even attemped to play with real money,,,,i`m sorry,but two weeks? and you expect to play with people who have been doing it for years is pretty dumb,,,but everyone does things a bit different so,,,,good luck and i hope to see you at the tables,i will gladly take your $ :joyman:

I also started with play money, but the difference with play money and 0.01/0.02 is that in play money people are taking more risks, going all in etc, then if they play 0.01/0.02. I start with a few games play money to warm up and then I go back to the money table.

DallaS · Mar 12, 2017

Play more. The distance will show what kind of player you are. And of course you need to constantly learn.

Tricky123bet · Mar 12, 2017

Just play a lot of hands really. I thought I would never move up from 2nl, because I was around breakeven for so long. That of course wasn't a bad thing since I could play without having to worry too much about my bankroll. In february I finally started to show some profit (if that was because of run good I don't know).
So it's not impossible as some losing players might say. Don't listen to these players. Your best tool in this forum will be to see what's bad advice and absorb all the good advice from good sources.
For the poker I would say stick to a TAG style of play, understand that when a player at these stakes show much aggression (they bet all three streets, or raises your bet on the river) they usually have it. Stick to good bankroll management at all times and move up when you think you are ready for it

imnoobpoker · Mar 12, 2017

Tricky123bet said:
Just play a lot of hands really. I thought I would never move up from 2nl, because I was around breakeven for so long. That of course wasn't a bad thing since I could play without having to worry too much about my bankroll. In february I finally started to show some profit (if that was because of run good I don't know).
So it's not impossible as some losing players might say. Don't listen to these players. Your best tool in this forum will be to see what's bad advice and absorb all the good advice from good sources.
For the poker I would say stick to a TAG style of play, understand that when a player at these stakes show much aggression (they bet all three streets, or raises your bet on the river) they usually have it. Stick to good bankroll management at all times and move up when you think you are ready for it

Thank you for your reaction! What was for you the turning point? What did you in the mean time? I'm searching on google terms like: "poker strategy", "Cash game strategy", "Poker training". Did you had any rules regard playing poker, like 2-buy-ins a day?

Tricky123bet · Mar 12, 2017

imnoobpoker said:
Thank you for your reaction! What was for you the turning point? What did you in the mean time? I'm searching on google terms like: "Poker strategy", "Cash game strategy", "Poker training". Did you had any rules regard playing poker, like 2-buy-ins a day?

I don't know for sure. To be honest I haven't studied as much poker as I should have, but I have been pretty consistent on reviewing some of the hands I've played. For that I take my biggest losing hands, and sometimes even the big winning hands to see if I think I made the right play. Sometimes I might not be sure if my play was correct, and sometimes I might be thinking completely wrong (since I'm still quite new to the game). But it's still important to do it, since you learn to think about the game on a deeper level, and that's what's going to improve your game. If you are unsure about a hand and/or want to hear what others think about it, just post it on this forum.

The strategy I've learned has come from The Poker Bank's strategy articles and Youtube videos, as well as Blackrain79's articles and book "Crushing the Microstakes". Then of course this forum and some other stuff as well.

I don't know about any special rules I've used, except for strict bankroll management. If you mean something like "If I lose more than 2 buy-ins today/at this table, I will leave", then no, I haven't actually done anything like that. Even though tilt definitely gets me sometimes, for me it's not a very big problem. If tilt is your weak side, I recommend you make a rule of a certain amount of buy-ins lost until you quit. And then you really HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT RULE, otherwise you'll just learn to ignore the rule every time.
But if can handle tilt reasonably well, you should not stop just because you happened to lose a lot of money in a row, IF there are still some fishy players at the table, which you can earn easy money from. But if the fish leaves the table I would definitely leave too and take a break.

Ahoy · Mar 12, 2017

So, my experience is this :

1. When I was new to these low cash games, I used to play too loose since I only played 1 table at a time. Someone before me mentioned that multitabling is bad for beginner, but I dont think so. Multitabling is just fine, When you play more tables you will not overplay I think. Just need to stay focused.

2. Its a game, there will never be just profit. There will be up and downswings. Look up some chip graphs of some cash game players on the internet. You always see downswings and upswings. As long as you are good, you will overall be more upswinging than downswinging. Thats just math.

3. And the main point is - learn to play... I think, if you win and after that lose it all, you are just lucky to win it in the first place. Work more on your poker game

mr_kommpa · Mar 12, 2017

Hey man!

I have been in the same sort of situation when I moved up to playing 10NL (I had played for months though).

Going +$1 or -$1 in a session is totaly fine. its just 50bb. If you keep playing you will see way bigger swings then that, if you get dealt KK and an other get dealt AA you are guaranteed to lose $2 even if you play your cards perfectly. Playing more tables will get your through the swings much faster. But dont do like me and start playing 10 tables, playing fit or fold and then sit there wondering why you are losing. Add a new table and see if you can still keep focus on all of them, and if you can, then add an other one util you feel overwhelmed, then you do it the other way, eliminate one table at the time.

Remember, even if you have played 10k hands (you have played less right?) you can just see a hint of your actuall win rate. http://pokerdope.com/poker-variance-calculator/ play around with that and you will see how much luck influence your win rate. It is huge and you just need to keep imporving and get through the down swings!

An other thing is that if you feel like you are making looser calls or looser raises then your stratergy, quit. You should make adjustments to your stratergy of the table and play the stratergy on the table.

mr_kommpa · Mar 12, 2017

Damn, Ahoy posted faster

PKRNRS · Mar 12, 2017

imnoobpoker said:
Hi forum,

Started playing Poker two weeks ago. Finished the Pokerstars school and I'm playing like 3 hours a day on Poker888. I thought, that website will suite me better then Pokerstars, because they have more hard-hitters. But oke, so I'm playing for like for 2 weeks now and I'm facing bankroll problems.

Let's say: I start at 10am in the morning and after half an hour I made like 1$. But later that day, I lose it again and it's not because I'm tired but everybody at 0.01¢ is playing on the draw or I don't know why. So next day I made again 1$ and then I lose it again... I know, that I'm not a star but everything what I earn I lose the same day or maybe lose more then I earned

Hope that you guys can help me

You are going to be up and down. It's the nature of the game. Lose a little, win a little. I will say losing it is easier than keeping it. I only play for a certain about of time, up or down or even I leave at X amount of time, generally I play 3 hours of cash. If you're not tilting then keep doing what you are doing.

BC lucky · Mar 13, 2017

To me, playing the penny tables is kind of like playing on play money websites. It's full of players trying to get lucky, and in turn you end up getting a quality hand crushed with something like 8/10 of diamonds. With that being said, if you can take the time to learn the discipline of folding on the penny tables, it's easy to move up in stakes. Learn to take your time to get reads on the players at your table, avoid bluffing, and most importantly enjoy the game.

imnoobpoker · Mar 13, 2017

So first of all, thank you for all the advice and comments! After I posted this thread, I start playing only Zoom games and Sit-and-Go tournaments (low) and my bankroll is moving up... Maybe bit strange to play only zoom games

Tricky123bet said:
I don't know for sure. To be honest I haven't studied as much poker as I should have, but I have been pretty consistent on reviewing some of the hands I've played. For that I take my biggest losing hands, and sometimes even the big winning hands to see if I think I made the right play. Sometimes I might not be sure if my play was correct, and sometimes I might be thinking completely wrong (since I'm still quite new to the game). But it's still important to do it, since you learn to think about the game on a deeper level, and that's what's going to improve your game. If you are unsure about a hand and/or want to hear what others think about it, just post it on this forum.

The strategy I've learned has come from The Poker Bank's strategy articles and Youtube videos, as well as Blackrain79's articles and book "Crushing the Microstakes". Then of course this forum and some other stuff as well.

I don't know about any special rules I've used, except for strict bankroll management. If you mean something like "If I lose more than 2 buy-ins today/at this table, I will leave", then no, I haven't actually done anything like that. Even though tilt definitely gets me sometimes, for me it's not a very big problem. If tilt is your weak side, I recommend you make a rule of a certain amount of buy-ins lost until you quit. And then you really HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT RULE, otherwise you'll just learn to ignore the rule every time.
But if can handle tilt reasonably well, you should not stop just because you happened to lose a lot of money in a row, IF there are still some fishy players at the table, which you can earn easy money from. But if the fish leaves the table I would definitely leave too and take a break.

Thank you so much! Will check out those websites

Ahoy said:
So, my experience is this :

1. When I was new to these low cash games, I used to play too loose since I only played 1 table at a time. Someone before me mentioned that multitabling is bad for beginner, but I dont think so. Multitabling is just fine, When you play more tables you will not overplay I think. Just need to stay focused.

2. Its a game, there will never be just profit. There will be up and downswings. Look up some chip graphs of some cash game players on the internet. You always see downswings and upswings. As long as you are good, you will overall be more upswinging than downswinging. Thats just math.

3. And the main point is - learn to play... I think, if you win and after that lose it all, you are just lucky to win it in the first place. Work more on your poker game

I will give multi-table a try in the future

mr_kommpa said:
Hey man!

I have been in the same sort of situation when I moved up to playing 10NL (I had played for months though).

Going +$1 or -$1 in a session is totaly fine. its just 50bb. If you keep playing you will see way bigger swings then that, if you get dealt KK and an other get dealt AA you are guaranteed to lose $2 even if you play your cards perfectly. Playing more tables will get your through the swings much faster. But dont do like me and start playing 10 tables, playing fit or fold and then sit there wondering why you are losing. Add a new table and see if you can still keep focus on all of them, and if you can, then add an other one util you feel overwhelmed, then you do it the other way, eliminate one table at the time.

Remember, even if you have played 10k hands (you have played less right?) you can just see a hint of your actuall win rate. http://pokerdope.com/poker-variance-calculator/ play around with that and you will see how much luck influence your win rate. It is huge and you just need to keep imporving and get through the down swings!

An other thing is that if you feel like you are making looser calls or looser raises then your stratergy, quit. You should make adjustments to your stratergy of the table and play the stratergy on the table.

Thanks for the link!

BC lucky said:
To me, playing the penny tables is kind of like playing on play money websites. It's full of players trying to get lucky, and in turn you end up getting a quality hand crushed with something like 8/10 of diamonds. With that being said, if you can take the time to learn the discipline of folding on the penny tables, it's easy to move up in stakes. Learn to take your time to get reads on the players at your table, avoid bluffing, and most importantly enjoy the game.

I'm also started to use Pokertracker 4, maybe this will help me analysing people.

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