MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[RamdeeBen]

This guy is a 50/5 (30 hands)


PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $9.05
Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $4.90
BB: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 9:heart: 9:club:

UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95, 2 players) J:heart: J:spade: 6:diamond:
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.95, 2 players) J:diamond:
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.00, UTG raises to $2.00, Hero calls $1.00

River: ($5.95, 2 players) 5:heart:
UTG bets $6.15 and is all-in, Hero ??

 

[Matt Vaughan]

AA: Flop sizing was fine imo, fold the river.

99: It's only 30 hands but this guy is shaping up to be uber-passive... Kinda hard to put him on QQ+ though preflop. TT might be in his range though. It's nasty cause he should actually have a fair number of Jx here the way he's played it. I'm thinking he can have 77-TT, AJ, KJ, QJ, JT (maybe), so it's kinda lawl, but I think a fold is tight but fine. I feel his line lets us disregard some PP combo's too. Think he's more likely to call the turn and lead river when he feels a safe card peels off.

 

[xdeucesx]

I think in the 99 hand, he's playing this like 6x a decent amount of the time. However, I probably fold river because I don't think a 50/5 is spazzing here often enough for us to be good. Since he's so passive, he can obv have some 1010+.

Like if his raise was anything other then a minraise, I would of been happy snapping the turn. The min raise is the only thing I don't like since he only plays Jx + all his nut hands this way. W/o any air in his range, we have to be good a pretty large % of time on river. I don't think he plays 6x like this quite enough for us to be profitable, so i probs fold

 

[Matt Vaughan]

He never plays 6x like this on the river when we call the turn imo. And that's assuming this likely very passive player spazzes with it on the turn.

 

[xdeucesx]

He never plays 6x like this on the river when we call the turn imo. And that's assuming this likely very passive player spazzes with it on the turn.

he's got a FH. and he's running 50/5. He can definitely be playing 6's like this imo...but like I said, I don't think he min-raises 6x, if it had been bigger or sized differently, I'd be inclined to think it was.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I'm not saying he can't raise and then bet it on the river - I said "like this" lol. Sizing is included in that

 

[redwards92]

lol i'll bet he thought the 5 hit his 55

snap it off!

 

[ScottishMatt]

Vs unknown reg (he multitables) and it was probably spew, but what the **** does he rep here? I dunno if people X/R bluff at 25 so I decided to click it back and find out, he obviously had that A high flush draw so that he could shove. Question I have is whether clicking it back in a spot like this is profitable or not. Do 25nl regs have enough bluffs here?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2257118
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $57.71
BTN: $9.30
SB: $25.00
BB: $25.00
Hero (UTG): $36.73

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with Q

K

Hero raises to $0.72, 3 folds, BB calls $0.47

Flop: ($1.54) 3

7

7

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $8, BB raises to $24.28 all in, Hero folds



Here is another similar hand, but I'm the one X/R'ing. Is it OK for me to do this every now and then as a bluff? (This was actually the hand that got me thinking about clicking it back on villain in the hand above)


Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 2257121
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $40.90
CO: $11.27
BTN: $41.35
SB: $26.55

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with A

J

1 fold, BTN raises to $0.65, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.40) 5

5

9

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.89, Hero raises to $3, BTN raises to $7.91, Hero folds

Villain in second hand was unknown as well. Could have 3-bet pre I know, but I've been doing that a lot as of late and preferred to just defend here.

 

[RamdeeBen]

I think x/r paired boards are like the worse of boards to do it on.You rarely would x/r 5x for example or 99..

When people x/r those boards the vast majority of time it's always a bluff or middle pocket pair sort of hand. I think it's much better if you're wanting to x/r a bluff is on a board that isn't so dry.

 

[Logan2]

@Ram, Are you playing FR+6max+Zoom+Regular tables on same sessions?

Also, do you feel that after playing Zoom the regular tables are way more softer or is just me?.
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[RamdeeBen]

@Ram, Are you playing FR+6max+Zoom+Regular tables on same sessions?

Also, do you feel that after playing Zoom the regular tables are way more softer or is just me?.
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I play all. Probably not ideal..

Yeah I find regular tables easier but zoom is taking over my grind recently. It's like a drug lol; I love the volume and the convenience. Lazy on my part I know; but it's just easy to jump into the zooms. - I should go back to regular tables though I think they are much better.

 

[RamdeeBen]

Really not sure about my play here. Another reason I should stop just relying on stats. He was a 13/10..I eliminated A9/K9 etc from his UTG opening range so he either had a set or 99/JJ/QQ/KK/AA..

These reason's led me to believe I could value bet the river small as I'm only really behind 99..but given how tight he is; I thought he could maybe take this line with an overpair and would for sure call my river bet as they don't like folding the very few hands they play, especially over pairs! Is this naive? And is this always 99 or some 9x his shove? I really felt confident I had the best hand and was so sure he had over pairs/sets and I was just going to value town him lol.

Because he is nitty, I thought he "might" fold an over pair given how board ran out if I shoved so wanted some value but also was betting to induce a spazz shove from over pairs at the same time (of course I thought ok, he might roll over 99 at times) Some nits feel no matter how boards run out and given action they can't ever fold over pairs..I called thinking I'm good sometimes. Against that whole range, we're like a favourite do you think we're ok to call or should be really be mucking?

I know what I'm saying kind of contradicts itself .The whole betting small for value from over pairs + to induce but then questioning if we should fold the river..but I actually think he's more likely to flat call over pairs as opposed to turn them into bluffs so when he does shove I'm thinking...hmm a bit should I have just shoved the river anyway and be done with it? Checking behind seems to weak vs a tight players utg opening imo as his range has so few 9x in them and likely only the exact hand 99.

lol; so to continue the ramble - does my bet size on the river induce more spazz shoves from over pairs + sets as opposed to flat calls or is this always a value shove from this type of player?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $10.87
Hero (MP): $15.04
CO: $4.95
BTN: $12.06
SB: $10.00
BB: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has T:club: T:heart:

UTG raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) T:spade: 8:diamond: 2:spade:
UTG bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75, 2 players) 7:heart:
UTG bets $1.00, Hero raises to $2.80, UTG calls $1.80

River: ($7.35, 2 players) 6:diamond:
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.00, UTG raises to $7.27 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.27

UTG shows 9:heart: 9:diamond: (Straight, Ten High) (Pre 18%, Flop 5%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows T:club: T:heart: (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 82%, Flop 95%, Turn 82%)
UTG wins $20.91

 

[Logan2]

Really not sure about my play here. Another reason I should stop just relying on stats. He was a 13/10..I eliminated A9/K9 etc from his UTG opening range so he either had a set or 99/JJ/QQ/KK/AA..

These reason's led me to believe I could value bet the river as I'm only really behind 99..but given how tight he is; I thought he could maybe take this line with an overpair and would for sure call my river bet as they don't like folding the very few hands they play, especially over pairs! Is this naive? And is this always 99 or some 9x his shove? I really felt confident I had the best hand and was so sure he had over pairs/sets and I was just going to value town him lol.

When he shoves, I was surprised (of course I thought ok, sets + 99) but I also felt he "could" do this with over pairs (although unlikely form nits?:s) Some nits feel no matter how boards run out and given action they can't ever fold over pairs..I called thinking I'm good sometimes. Against that whole range, we're like a favourite do you think we're ok to call or should be really be mucking? I wasn't sure..also because my sets have been getting cracked or I've been having to fold recently I called anyway


PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $10.87
Hero (MP): $15.04
CO: $4.95
BTN: $12.06
SB: $10.00
BB: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has T♣ T♥

UTG raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) T♠ 8♦ 2♠
UTG bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75, 2 players) 7♥
UTG bets $1.00, Hero raises to $2.80, UTG calls $1.80

River: ($7.35, 2 players) 6♦
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.00, UTG raises to $7.27 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.27

UTG shows 9♥ 9♦ (Straight, Ten High) (Pre 18%, Flop 5%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows T♣ T♥ (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 82%, Flop 95%, Turn 82%)
UTG wins $20.91

How big is hand example?.

I play 14/11 on FR so 13/10 on 6max is wayyy nitier, tbh i think it depends how villain see you. But for the most part nits not gona follow that line with overs. If i was villain and got overs i fold on turn after your raise because you are flatting pre, so set-mining is a strong posibility there, a FD probably raise flop not turn, and if you flat with SC like 8T/J9 my overpair is also beat on turn so again fold turn. if you are really aggresive maybe i call turn, but x/c river, but not gona raise allin river on that board with overs if sets/2pair/str8 are a big chance, you probably 3b my utg raise with JJ+ so i don´t expect you got something i beat by river with overs.

A nit never raise rivers with out the nuts. so vs him is always a value shove, more if is a check-raise

 

[ScottishMatt]

The only probable hand for him to have here is 99. His turn call as opposed to 3B lets us know he is drawing in some form. He knows he is beat but has outs. At the same time I'm not probably never folding here. FWIW though I make the turn larger. Probably like 3.30. It's obvious we have the best hand and a nits calling range here is going to include combo draws and nut flush draws. If he can't find a fold with an overpair then all the better, our sizing makes a river ship give him better odds. So, yeah, bet bigger IMO. Other than that WP.

 

[RamdeeBen]

Some fair and good points there guys, thanks.


I really thought I was value betting the river lol; expected to see worse sets some over pairs and of course some 99 although I think it's to thin too and when he shoves over it's likely always 99. I'm not 100% sure what the best river line is. Do you think my sizing never induces shoves from worse really on the river then?

Do you think river is a b/f in this spot or just check behind? I feel I'll kick myself if he flips over a worse set for example which he might call a river bet with.

 

[RamdeeBen]

Villian; 20/18 Thoughts.....



PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $12.27
SB: $20.86
BB: $11.30
UTG: $11.92
MP: $4.32
Hero (CO): $12.23

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has J:spade: J:club:

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) 5:spade: Q:spade: K:club:
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.65, 2 players) K:heart:
BB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

River: ($1.65, 2 players) J:diamond:
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB raises to $4.80, Hero ??

 

[ScottishMatt]

Calls . . . I can't see myself folding here, at the same time raising has no value whatsoever.

And for the other hand I probably just ship river. Most draws that we can put him on that call the turn missed, if he ever calls turn with AA/KK then shipping it is optimal. He is pretty polarized in that spot and he is either willing to call it off or fold his nothing so just go for maximum value. He wasn't getting great implied odds with his 99 but even so I size turn larger because it makes the river ship more likely to be called.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

In the TT hand if he is running 13/10 at 6m (I read that right, right?), then raise the flop. We can rep JJ/QQ when he has KK/AA, and there are quite a few turn cards that will kill action. Tbh upon first look at the flop and turn I would have taken 99 out of his range normally in-game, so thanks for posting lol. But yeah, his UTG PFR range is basically 77+ or something grossly narrow like that, so I much prefer raising the flop where we can much more easily rep air and semibluffs than on the turn. Turn raise looks stronger in almost all contexts imo, and will get waaaay fewer calls from overpairs. And if we can get him to call with QQ or KK on the flop and the turn is a blank, it's pretty hard for him to justify folding to a turn bet given that he's continued against a flop raise.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I'm back and forth about the JJ hand. It's pretty easy for him to flat KQ or KJ, check the flop to try to check-raise, then lead the turn when you check behind, but x/r the river is a pretty bizarre line with those types of hands, and he has way more combos of air before river action anyway.

On the other hand, people don't x/r the river as a bluff enough. So I think what it comes down to is - does he flat a weaker Kx like KT or K9 pre? And can he over-value it. Tbh I almost certainly call in-game, but it seems close to me, and just a high variance spot cause I'm really struggling to nail down a range even off-table.

 

[RamdeeBen]

Calls . . . I can't see myself folding here, at the same time raising has no value whatsoever.

And for the other hand I probably just ship river. Most draws that we can put him on that call the turn missed, if he ever calls turn with AA/KK then shipping it is optimal. He is pretty polarized in that spot and he is either willing to call it off or fold his nothing so just go for maximum value. He wasn't getting great implied odds with his 99 but even so I size turn larger because it makes the river ship more likely to be called.

Agreed, there's no real reason in shoving unless we expect him to turn over 55/Kx (possible?)

It was his large sizing which threw me a bit, I certainly did feel this was always a value raise. KQ very possible calling hand out the blinds.

In the TT hand if he is running 13/10 at 6m (I read that right, right?), then raise the flop. We can rep JJ/QQ when he has KK/AA, and there are quite a few turn cards that will kill action. Tbh upon first look at the flop and turn I would have taken 99 out of his range normally in-game, so thanks for posting lol. But yeah, his UTG PFR range is basically 77+ or something grossly narrow like that, so I much prefer raising the flop where we can much more easily rep air and semibluffs than on the turn. Turn raise looks stronger in almost all contexts imo, and will get waaaay fewer calls from overpairs. And if we can get him to call with QQ or KK on the flop and the turn is a blank, it's pretty hard for him to justify folding to a turn bet given that he's continued against a flop raise.

I didn't feel there was value in raising the flop. Problem I felt is because it was so dry we rep a very strong range of like two pairs/sets and I didn't want him possible folding an over pair even if unlikely. I feel raising the turn means we can be doing it with straight draws/flush draws and of course sets which gives him a much wider calling range on the turn as opposed to the flop.

I'm back and forth about the JJ hand. It's pretty easy for him to flat KQ or KJ, check the flop to try to check-raise, then lead the turn when you check behind, but x/r the river is a pretty bizarre line with those types of hands, and he has way more combos of air before river action anyway.

On the other hand, people don't x/r the river as a bluff enough. So I think what it comes down to is - does he flat a weaker Kx like KT or K9 pre? And can he over-value it. Tbh I almost certainly call in-game, but it seems close to me, and just a high variance spot cause I'm really struggling to nail down a range even off-table.

Agree with JJ, so close. When he x/r; I didn't feel he's going to x/r like Kx..or even 55, more likely KQ. First thing first; I actually really didn't want to call as daft as it sounds because I feel his range is like KQ exactly nearly always lol. I just think; Kx/55 bets, not x/r..this is the problem I have with river and I just can't see many x/r bluffs, especially at 10nl.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

He's more likely to fold an overpair on the turn than flop imo with TT hand. And it looks wetter to a nit than you might think. And why would we raise a straight draw on the turn but not the flop? It's less common in my experience.

 

[Logan2]

Some fair and good points there guys, thanks.


I really thought I was value betting the river lol; expected to see worse sets some over pairs and of course some 99 although I think it's to thin too and when he shoves over it's likely always 99. I'm not 100% sure what the best river line is. Do you think my sizing never induces shoves from worse really on the river then?

Do you think river is a b/f in this spot or just check behind? I feel I'll kick myself if he flips over a worse set for example which he might call a river bet with.

in a hurry so will go fast.

Think how sets play on a nit, they usually try to jam even flop, so don´t expect value on river from 88,77 on river because he sure going to gii on turn after you raise, is the best chance he got there with a set on a wet board.

Again is villain is bad and don´t let go overs he still going to gii on turn on the raise thinking his overs are the nuts not going to flat, so no value also on river.

finally, jam river sounds bad to me because mostly will be call it by better, small bet like you did sounds easy that he make a mistake and call with worst or jam if he got you, but jaming make his decision easy to fold when behind. so or x-c or bet/f (i do think will be dead every time he pops). And i don´t think size induce to go over, not on this specific player, vs fish or tag maybe but this guy play fit or fold.

 

[duggs]

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $10.87
Hero (MP): $15.04
CO: $4.95
BTN: $12.06
SB: $10.00
BB: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has T♣ T♥

UTG raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) T♠ 8♦ 2♠
UTG bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75, 2 players) 7♥
UTG bets $1.00, Hero raises to $2.80, UTG calls $1.80

River: ($7.35, 2 players) 6♦
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.00, UTG raises to $7.27 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.27

UTG shows 9♥ 9♦ (Straight, Ten High) (Pre 18%, Flop 5%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows T♣ T♥ (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 82%, Flop 95%, Turn 82%)
UTG wins $20.91[/QUOTE]

raise flop, as played shove river rather than half pot it.

 

[atownshend]

The formatting on this post makes the cards really hard to read.

 

[Yoshimiii]

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $10.87
Hero (MP): $15.04
CO: $4.95
BTN: $12.06
SB: $10.00
BB: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has T♣ T♥

UTG raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) T♠ 8♦ 2♠
UTG bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75, 2 players) 7♥
UTG bets $1.00, Hero raises to $2.80, UTG calls $1.80

River: ($7.35, 2 players) 6♦
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.00, UTG raises to $7.27 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.27

UTG shows 9♥ 9♦ (Straight, Ten High) (Pre 18%, Flop 5%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows T♣ T♥ (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 82%, Flop 95%, Turn 82%)
UTG wins $20.91

raise flop, as played shove river rather than half pot it.[/QUOTE]

No stats on villain? Flop is fine, either shove or check-back the river though, I don't see what villain can call you with though if he isn't a fish so I would like a check back more.