MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[Matt Vaughan]

All I can say is: it's awesome when regs tilt at 1/2 live

 

[Logan2]

All I can say is: it's awesome when regs tilt at 1/2 live

Sounds like your BR increased nicely, grats.

Thanks for the help on hands.

 

[AlfieAA]

This article I found is great, hope you all like it, especially the 2nl guys ....I particularly like the 'decision tree' at the end

how to beat the micro's (2NL-50NL)
MonkE 09:13 AM 12-18-2008
Table of Contents.
1. What's a valuebet? And what isn't?
2. What's a bluff? And what isn't?
3. What is "showdown value"? And how
can I tell I have any?
4. Piecing the puzzle together.
5. General rules at the microstakes.
Intro.
I wanted to make a very basic guide for
beating microstakes poker (originally
posted this as a sort of 1k post on another
forum). I would have benefitted greatly from
a strictly ABC guide to poker,
concentrating on postflop play. I never
found it, and it took me a long time to figure
this stuff out, possibly because I'm
somewhat dimwitted. I hope some of you
will benefit from my stupidity. I present this
guide in all modesty: I might be wrong
about a lot of things, but I think if you think
about the concepts here, you should be
well on your way to beating µNL.
Please PM me with any remarks or
examples. Maybe I can make a second
edition or so after a while. I'm sure I make
some fundamental mistakes, and that my
examples aren't always great. There's
spots where I have doubts myself. I'm just
trying to offer a framework for thinking
about when you should bet, and when you
should check.
The advice here is pretty categoric
sometimes. This is because I feel that at
the micro's there's no need to be fancy or
to bet thin. Just try to get your check/bet/
fold decisions optimized, and don't worry
about being "exploitable", or "vanilla" or
"weaktight". Just try to make money to
move beyond 50NL. Also, please don't tell
me that all this advice sucks at 100nl and
above. I know this already.
1. What's a valuebet, and what isn't?
You have heard a lot about valuebets
(usually with the word "thin" in front of it).
You should be valuebetting a lot and very
"thin". But what is a valuebet?
DEFINITION:
A valuebet is a bet that will be called by
enough worse hands to make it a profitable
(+EV) move.
Example 1
You raise in MP with A Q , you get a call
from the CO.
Flop comes Q T 5
A bet here is clearly a valuebet, because
there's hardly any better hands in villain's
range to start with (he would probably 3bet
AA, KK and QQ preflop).
Villain will call a bet here with:
KQ,QJ,QT,JJ,J9 and maybe some stuff like
KT,AT,JT if he thinks your just making a
random c-bet with air. Note that we don't
beat every hand in his calling range: QT >
AQ. It's not important. A valuebet is not a
bet that will never get called or raised by
better hands. It's a bet that's profitable
because *enough* worse hands will call to
make it +EV.
Our range for betting here is at least: AA-
QQ, AQ,KQ,QJ,AT,KT,55 and lots of
broadway cards, gutshots and even air.
Villain can easily assume that his second
or third best hand is good enough to call
here (KQ,QJ, JJ and even AT can easily
assume it's good; draws will obv call
because of implied odds). So this is clearly
a profitable situation, and a bet here is
clearly a valuebet.
Note however that I said: *enough* worse
hands. This isn't the same as a bet that will
be called by worse hands. Theoretically,
every bet could be called by worse hands.
What you want is to assign a range to
villain with *enough* worse hands that will
call, so that your bet is profitable.
Example 2
You raise in MP with A J , you get a call
from the CO.
Flop comes Q 7 3
Here, you will and should probably bet
your entire PFR range (let's say AK-AT, all
PP's, all suited broadways and KQo+). But
this is not a valuebet, because although
you will be called by worse hands (this is
the micro's, they'll call with ATC, right?),
there won't be enough of them in villain's
range. There's hardly any draws that will
peel here, there's a lot of pocket pairs in
villain's range that he will call with (and
that beat us), and there's even a lot of AX
hands that beat us (AK,AQ, A7, A3).
Turn comes J
Should you bet? Probably not at the
micro's (not sure myself tbh, but I'm
inclined to think not). At this point, there is
no value whatsoever left in betting. Again:
there might be villains who will call here
with TT-88, and even bottom pair, and it's
easy to think: "I have second pair top
kicker kicker, no way he has a Q, I bet." If
that is what you regularly do, you have just
found the reason why you are not beating
microstakes.
This is not a valuebet, because it will never
be called by any hand that is worse than
yours. In fact, you are folding out every
hand that is worse (because they see the
Q and the J on board, and they think: 'no
way my 77 is good here').

 

[AlfieAA]

Part 2


A common expression is that at the
microstakes, "you can just take villains to
valuetown". I used to think that this meant
that I should just keep firing with any piece
of the board. It doesn't.
It just means that you should hardly ever
bluff (which is the opposite of a valuebet).
It means that, as long as villain's range can
reasonably have enough worse hands in it,
you can usually keep betting without being
afraid that you will be outplayed. It means
that, usually, you can go for three streets of
value with AT on a T hi board, as long as
villain has a reason to believe that his
worse hand is good. Also because mostly,
villains will announce when they beat
TPTK by raising the turn.
Ok, so we check the turn, and villain
checks behind.
River comes 5
Can we valuebet? Yes.
By calling the flop but checking behind on
the turn, villain let us know that he has
showdown value, but he's not strong
enough to valuebet himself. He probably
has some middle pocket pair, or A7 or
something, or random air. By not betting
the turn ourselves, we have announced
pretty clearly that we don't have a Q. Since
we should bluff here fairly often, villain
should call here with a very wide range.
KJ,JT,TT-88, maybe A7. Yes, he will
sometimes have a set, 2P, AQ, or the
gutshot straight with 64. Yes, he will fold
his club draws and all the backdoor draws
like A5. But all in all, I think we can bet
here for value, because villain can and
probably should call with enough worse
hands to make this a profitable bet.
Do we HAVE to valuebet here? No. If you
are not entirely sure of your handreading
skills, there is no need to valuebet here at
the micro's. This is a "thin" valuebet, but
there is enough profit to be made by
making "fat" valuebets at the micro's.
Example 3
You raise in CO with Q T , BTN calls.
Flop comes 6 T 9
When we bet, villain can and should call
with at least AT,KT,QT,JT,T9,T8, club
draws, open ended straight draws and
maybe some gutshots with overcards like
KQ or so. Plus sets, two pairs, and made
straights. Is this a valuebet? Yes. I think it's
not even thin, although there's obviously
more hands that beat us here than in
example 1. You bet, villain calls.
Turn comes 8 , so the board now looks:
6 T 9 8
If we bet here, are there still worse hands
in villains range that he will call us with?
This is already a lot thinner. He will
probably still call with all his TP hands (AT
to T7, let's say). Let's assume his range
was evenly distributed between TP hands
and draws (FD and SD's). OESD's now
came in, he probably won't continue with
his gutshots with overs (KQ).
But the chance is higher that he had a FD
than a SD, because there's more club draw
combinations than combinations of QJ,
and villain is somewhat less likely to call a
bet with a mere 7X gutshot.
There's only one TP hand we beat
anymore (assuming he didn't call with T5
and under), and we beat only the FD's.
Nevertheless, a bet here could still be a
valuebet, but it will be thin. We bet to get
value from FD's and to prevent FD's from
getting a free card ("bet for protection"). We
will be forced to fold if villain raises.
River comes Q so the board now looks
6 T 9 8 Q
We made two pair. What hands will still
call us that we beat? The flush draws will
fold anyway to a bet. AT and KT will
probably fold to any bet, because it is so
likely that we have either a J or a 7, based
on our betting pattern. It is also very likely
that villain has a J or a 7 based on his play.
He would probably have raised a 2P like
T9 on the flop, and T8 or 98 on the turn,
because microstakes players horribly
overplay their 2P (it's strong against TP,
but it gets outdrawn frequently, so they
want to get the money in fast).
In short, there is NO value in a bet here,
imo. This is the mistake most micro players
make: they will bet here, because 2P is a
"strong hand". It might be, but not on this
board, and not after how the play went.
After they bet, the donk will call with 75o or
something, and they will say: "how is it
possible that this retard doesn't put me on
KJ or something?" Well, because he can't
handread.
Mind you: it's not that he will not or can not
call with worse hands. He might call with
AQ. But: is AQ still in his range often
enough? It shouldn't, and you shouldn't
assume it still is. He might still call with T9/
T8/98/T6o, in fact it's perfectly possible that
he's a retard that will call with T6. But not
often enough to make a bet here profitable.
I think this is probably the mistake I made
when starting out. I was always thinking:
well, he could still call with (fill in
theoretical hand that could indeed call).
This is not enough to make your bet a
valuebet.
Until you can narrow ranges down
accurately, it's probably not a good idea to
valuebet very thin. It's very macho to say "I
valuebet thin here". But if you're not sure
that you're actually valuebetting, you're not
valuebetting thin. You're just giving money
away to the donks.

 

[AlfieAA]

Part 3/3

What's a bluff?
DEFINITION
A bluff is a bet that will get enough better
hands to fold, or a bet that will fold out a
better hand often enough to make it a
profitable (+EV) move.
You should not be bluffing "thin" when you
play microstakes NL. By this I mean:
talking yourself into a bluff because "he's a
complete donk if he doesn't fold TPTK
here". Most people cannot find the fold
button if their life depended on it in µNL.
Also, most people don't handread well
enough at µNL to realise that you are
representing a strong hand. They think: I
have a pair, so I will see a showdown.
Generally, good spots to bluff (let's call
them "fat bluffs") will be instantly
recognisable.
Say you have 89o on a KT7ss board, and
you are in position. Villain c-bets and you
call. Turn brings another flushcard, and
villain shuts down. This might be a good
opportunity to bluff. Villain might have TP,
2P, second pair or a better draw than you
(QJ) that he's willing to fold here. He might
even be weaktight enough to fold a set
(µNL players don't like monotone boards).
Mind, he could also have complete air. But
in general, a bluff here will fold out
*enough better* hands (especially if it's
backed up with a read that he has
weaktight tendencies) to make it profitable.
Before you bet, you should ask yourself:
am I valuebetting, or bluffing? A lot of the
time if you're a struggling µNL player, you
will have to admit that you don't really
know. You just feel that you should keep
betting, because not betting is "weak", and
"this donk could have any piece of the
board and he will call with it". This is why
you're not beating the micro's. As a
beginning player, you should know exactly
if you're bluffing (and you shouldn't do that
often) or valuebetting (this is where your
profit is).
So, when can you bluff? ONLY when
villain has a range with hands that are
better than your hand. This is necessary to
call your bet a bluff. Before you bluff, then,
you should
1. Know that villain actually has a better
hand than you a lot of the time.
2. Know that the board and the action will
convince him that your range > his hand.
3. Know which better hands in his range
you want to fold out.
If you are a beginning player and your
handreading sucks, this is only possible
when villain shows obvious weakness,
and you have absolute air. In most other
case, when villain shows "a little bit of
weakness" or is sending mixed signals
(checkraising the flop big but checking the
turn for instance) and you have a hand
that's "quite a lot better than air but quite a
bit worse than the nuts", it's probably better
to check to see a cheap showdown. This is
called showdown value. Showdown value
is your friend (see chapter 3).
If a bluff is designed to fold out better
hands, it follows that at the micro's, you
should almost never bluff in big pots. Why?
Because there is a lot of money already in
the pot. This is only possible if villain has
shown to you that he has no intention of
folding, because he feels his hand is
strong. This means that his range is
probably made up of more nut type hands
than air or marginal hands.
Also, there is a thing called pot odds that
you probably know (I remember knowing
advanced concepts like "rangemerging"
before actually grasping what valuebetting
was). The bigger the pot, the less scary a
big bet is for villain, because he has great
actual pot odds, and almost no reversed
implied odds, because your stack is
already partly or largely in the pot. You
have no weapons left.
The pots where you should bluff are the
small ones, where you can feel villains
hesitation: "Am I behind or ahead? Is it
worth it to call this for this smallish pot?"
Villains will talk themselves into folding
small pots a lot more often. Why? Because
your stack is a weapon, and the pot is a
shield. A bet is more threatening when
there's lots of money behind: your weapon
looks dangerous compared to the shield.
When the shield is big, your weapon
doesn't look so scary.
3. What is "showdown value"?
Example 1
You are on the BTN and raise 74o (don't
do this obviously until you know you can
afford to) and you get a call from the BB.
Flop comes K 2 2
Villain checks, you make a standard c-bet
and get called.
Turn comes 4
Villain checks. It's probably best NOT to
bet here. Why? Because paired flops are
hard to hit, and villain probably realises
this. Unfortunately, this also goes for him.
He did not show a lot of strenght by c/c'ing
the flop c-bet instead checkraising or
leading it.
He probably feels he has showdown
value, but not a great hand. Alternatively,
he's trapping and planning a checkraise.
About the only hands that we beat here are
A hi and 33. The rest of his range are PP >
44 and KX, 2X hands. There's just no point
in putting money into the pot, because he
probably won't call with the AX hands or
33 (he'll now sigh and say: "ok, he has a
K"), but I don't think he'll fold many better
hands (maybe 55-77).
So what happened on the turn? Our air
hand just got showdown value against A hi
hands, which makes up a lot of his range.
You can't bet for value here because your
hand is only marginally better than air, but
you can't bluff because you won't fold out
better hands.
DEFINITION
You have showdown value when there's a
chance that your hand will hold up at the
showdown.
It's usually used when you have nothing
BUT showdown value, meaning that you
could be ahead or behind, but you can't
valuebet because no worse hand will call,
and you can't bluff because no better hand
will fold.
We have showdown value, so we try to
see a cheap showdown. We check behind.
Suppose the turn came Q
Villain checks. Bet this probably. Why?
Because we have no showdown value at
all, but we can fold out hands like JJ-33. If
you get called/raised here, you can be sure
that your hand is worthless. How
worthless? Not sure.
Now say you bet the Q turn and the river is
a 7 or a 4. Villain checks to us. Here you
either check back or bet. Mind you, if you
check, it's NOT because you have SD
value. It's because you think villain will
never fold. You are just letting go of the
hand, you have air now. If you bet, it's
because you think villain has a weakish
hand that he's willing to fold (you are
bluffing).
!! You are not checking for showdown
value here, and you are never betting for
value!!
What I want to show is that showdown
value on the turn is not necessarily SD
value on the river and vice versa. And that
a bet on the turn with second pair doesn't
necessarily mean the same thing as a bet
on the river. Again, you should think very
hard about why you are betting and why
you are checking.
4. Piecing the puzzle together
This is by far the hardest part, but I'll try to
give you a decision tree that should serve
you well at the microstakes. Whenever you
are faced with a decision, aks yourself this
question first:
1. Can I valuebet?
If the answer is YES, proceed to valuebet.
If the answer is NO, ask yourself
2. Do I have showdown value?
If the answer is YES, you should probably
check (especially in position).
If the answer is NO, ask yourself
3. Do I have Fold equity (can I fold out
enough better hands than mine)?
If the answer is YES, you might (I SAID
MIGHT) consider bluffing. You should be
aware that bluffing is not a very useful
tactic against calling stations.
So the decision tree looks like this
VBET POSSIBLE?
YES => BET
NO =>
DO I HAVE SD VALUE?
YES => CHECK /fold
NO =>
DO I HAVE FOLDING EQUITY?
YES =>
DO I REALLY REALLY HAVE FE?
YES => maybe maybe maybe bluff
NO => fold/check
5. General rules at the microstakes.
You noticed that I didn't mention raising.
This is because I think that you can
probably AUTOFOLD every time a villain
raises if you don't hold the nuts or the
second nuts and still make 5PTBB+ at the
micro's.
Your objective should be to valuebet/
valuebet/valueshove your good hands. If
you c-bet with air and you get called, you
can probably give up, esp OOP. No use
"second barreling" or "third barreling with
air" at the micros. No use trying to put
villain on AK when he checkraises you all
in on a scary turn and you have an
underpair. Just fold. Wait for the next hand,
and bet/bet/shove.

 

[pocketehs]

Any thoughts on either of these hands? Bad, good, something I should have done but didnt? Andd....GO!

Thanks!

Hand 1

Wondering about this line...mainly just the river donk 60%. The plan was if he raises its an easy fold but cant we get value from Ax non-hearts that just call?

Villain: 66/22/3.5

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SB ($6.15)
BB ($2)
UTG ($2.58)
UTG+1 ($2.03)
Hero (MP1) ($2.49)
MP2 ($0.97)
MP3 ($0.80)
CO ($1.23)
Villain (Button) ($5.46)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 10

, 10

2 folds, Hero bets $0.08, 2 folds, CO calls $0.08, Villain calls $0.08, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.27) A

, 3

, 8

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.16, 1 fold, Villain calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.59) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $0.28, Hero calls $0.28

River: ($1.15) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.66, Villain calls $0.66

Total pot: $2.47 | Rake: $0.09

Hand 2 (Same Villain as Hand a)

So now that we had some info on how the villain plays (fishy) I was wondering about this hand vs the fish...is calling down ok? or should we shutdown on the river? Not scared of the 3-bet pre b/c he was 3-betting everything to stupid sizes for a whole orbit.

Villain: 66/22/3.5 3bet%: 23% cbetF%: 66% cbetT%:100% not sure if we can use the cbetT here b/c I think we need like 1000+ hand sample for it to be accurate but i think you can see that villain is a nut case and could be betting with any ATC...

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Button ($5.01)
SB ($2)
BB ($3.88)
UTG ($2.07)
Hero (UTG+1) ($3.66)
MP1 ($1.23)
MP2 ($1.08)
MP3 ($1.09)
Villain (CO) ($4)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9

, 9

1 fold, Hero bets $0.08, 3 folds, Villain raises to $0.17, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.09

Flop: ($0.37) J

, 6

, 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.73) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $0.34, Hero calls $0.34

River: ($1.41) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $0.68, Hero calls $0.68

Total pot: $2.77 | Rake: $0.10

 

[Yoshimiii]

Hand 1, Doubt any Ax type hand is calling that river bet (might be wrong seen as he is a fish but I still doubt it), I like the river bet, he is probably calling lower flushes all the time here and just fold if he raises like u said, I also like how you played flop/turn.

Hand 2, the problem with this hand is that even though he is a nut case their really isn't anything that we beat on that board that is betting three streets even though he is a donkey, so maybe we could wait for a better spot, I would call the flop however and the turn but I probably fold to the river bet as we are really beating nothing here apart from lower pocket pairs or a bluff. Btw, it would be helpful if you could put a hand sample on here because if his stats are like this with 40 hands, it is alot different than 400 hands.

Edit: it also depends on how often he is doing three streets of betting half the pot with rags or any two cards, if he is doing this then I would call down all the way.

 

[Yoshimiii]

This guy was a mega-fish, playing ATC, and was a semi-maniac. (he also lost $45 in the session I had played with him up to that point which was alot so he was prob tilting like MAD).

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2034082
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MP: $16.93
Hero (CO): $10.15
BTN: $10.00
SB: $7.65
BB: $12.43
UTG: $10.55

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with K :diamond: J :spade:
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BB calls $0.30, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.95) 7 :spade: 4 :spade: 7 :heart: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.95) J :club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BB raises to $2.20, Hero calls $1.40

River: ($6.35) 3 :club: (2 players)
BB bets $4, Hero calls $4

Final Pot: $14.35
Hero shows K :diamond: J :spade: (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
BB shows 5 :heart: 8 :diamond: (a pair of Sevens)
Hero wins $13.70
(Rake: $0.65)

 

[micromachine]

pocketehs hand 1 - The river bet there is very very thin, really only 8 hands call, the heart containing hands, and you beat 5 of them. I would think betting slightly smaller, like 45-50c (nit picking I know) might make it easier for the lower hearts to call.

Hand 2 - Seems fine, I probs call that down and expect him to have A high or a missed FD a lot of the time

 

[pocketehs]

Hand 1, Doubt any Ax type hand is calling that river bet (might be wrong seen as he is a fish but I still doubt it), I like the river bet, he is probably calling lower flushes all the time here and just fold if he raises like u said, I also like how you played flop/turn.

Hand 2, the problem with this hand is that even though he is a nut case their really isn't anything that we beat on that board that is betting three streets even though he is a donkey, so maybe we could wait for a better spot, I would call the flop however and the turn but I probably fold to the river bet as we are really beating nothing here apart from lower pocket pairs or a bluff. Btw, it would be helpful if you could put a hand sample on here because if his stats are like this with 40 hands, it is alot different than 400 hands.

Edit: it also depends on how often he is doing three streets of betting half the pot with rags or any two cards, if he is doing this then I would call down all the way.

Thanks for the response. Just double checked the sample and it was 166 hands. Im glad that you liked how hand 1 was played because I wasnt sure if it made sense to play the river like that.

Hand 2 - I kind of agree with you that we have to shutdown at least the river. This is what I was thinking - flop c bet we have to call because he fires almost all the time and the board is not too bad although the villain could have anything here. Turn - card doesnt really change anything. if we were good on the flop were probably good on the turn. River - should we be worried about the 3 of diamonds? its possible that villain could have 57/52 or even running diamonds but i think we should shutdown because hes show aggression on all three streets and most likely has a jack or a SD hand?

 

[micromachine]

I wouldn't be worried about the 3 of diamonds there...and you're getting good odds for your money by the river

 

[pocketehs]

pocketehs hand 1 - The river bet there is very very thin, really only 8 hands call, the heart containing hands, and you beat 5 of them. I would think betting slightly smaller, like 45-50c (nit picking I know) might make it easier for the lower hearts to call.

Hand 2 - Seems fine, I probs call that down and expect him to have A high or a missed FD a lot of the time

makes sense micro. The reason I bet the 66c was so that he could only come over the top with a better hand.

Maybe the results from hand one also play into why i just check-called hand 2 to the river. He had Ax7h and called it off.

 

[Yoshimiii]

makes sense micro. The reason I bet the 66c was so that he could only come over the top with a better hand.

Maybe the results from hand one also play into why i just check-called hand 2 to the river. He had Ax7h and called it off.

Ye with hand 2 I think calling/folding the river is going to be read based as you will have a greater idea than us (even with stats) of if u feel like he has nothing by river but you can't really make a mistake on the river on hand 2 a call or fold is fine imo. Never worried about diamonds either like micro said. (Not getting results oriented here just because you posted the results, I was very torn in my first post about whether to call/fold anyway cause of the pot odds and him being maniac).

 

[Yoshimiii]

makes sense micro. The reason I bet the 66c was so that he could only come over the top with a better hand.

Maybe the results from hand one also play into why i just check-called hand 2 to the river. He had Ax7h and called it off.

At these stakes I don't think anyone with a lower flush is going to come over the top of you if you bet like 40c anyway, they would rather call call call all day long.

 

[Yoshimiii]

What are the chances of this happening nearly hand after hand with the same guy! lol

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 2034186
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Hero (BB): $12.66
CO: $12.51
BTN: $15.48
SB: $11.03

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with T :diamond: 9 :club:
2 folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.40, SB calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.80) 9 :heart: J :spade: J :club: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, SB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.60) J :diamond: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.90, SB calls $0.90

River: ($3.40) K :club: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $3.40
Hero shows T :diamond: 9 :club: (a full house, Jacks full of Nines)
SB shows 6 :spade: A :spade: (three of a kind, Jacks)
Hero wins $3.25
(Rake: $0.15)



Same guy, second hand. He was a fish.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 2034183
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $14.16
SB: $12.41
BB: $15.48
CO: $9.47

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 9 :heart: A :diamond:
CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, CO calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) J :diamond: A :spade: J :club: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $0.60, CO calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.15) J :heart: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50

River: ($5.15) 3 :heart: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $3.50, CO raises to $6.97 all in, Hero calls $3.47

Final Pot: $19.09
Hero shows 9 :heart: A :diamond: (a full house, Jacks full of Aces)
CO shows 8 :diamond: J :spade: (four of a kind, Jacks)
CO wins $18.23
(Rake: $0.86)

 

[micromachine]

He is terrible for checking the river in hand 2 lol

 

[pocketehs]

He is terrible for checking the river in hand 2 lol

and the turn imo lol

Anyone like the river jam here? trying to get like TT-QQ to fold. I have a feeling that no one will like it because were not supposed to bluff at 2NL but I figure cos the flush came in and with the pre-flop action I could get away with it. In retrospect I personally think it kind of sucks because its not even a pot-sized bet which gives him a sweet price to call.

Villain: 18/13/1 over 114 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP3 ($1.99)
CO ($2)
Button ($2.03)
SB ($1.18)
Hero (BB) ($3.46)
UTG ($0.96)
UTG+1 ($0.74)
Villain (MP1) ($6.22)
MP2 ($1.31)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, A

2 folds, Villain bets $0.06, 3 folds, Button raises to $0.18, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.60, Villain calls $0.54, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.39) 9

, 2

, 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $1, Villain calls $1

Turn: ($3.39) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, Villain checks

River: ($3.39) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.86 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $3.39 |


Edit: 2BIs until Im out of 2NL...so ****ing sick!

 

[Yoshimiii]

Hate the river shove (sorry!), not getting anything to fold and I would bet half my bankroll that the villain has a over-pair here so he will not fold an over-pair such as 10/10 -Q/Q enough for this to be profitable.

 

[pocketehs]

Hate the river shove (sorry!), not getting anything to fold and I would bet half my bankroll that the villain has a over-pair here so he will not fold an over-pair such as 10/10 -Q/Q enough for this to be profitable.

Honestly Yoshimi after thinking about it a bit longer I hate it to. Even if I had TT there I would still call. Do you think thats what his range is there? I was just trying to think of hands that he would raise in MP and flat a 4-bet OOP with. I think maybe (very small amount of the time) he could have AQ but still really doubt it. Plus if I had AA or KK Im 100% betting the turn as well so theres no way I ever have those hands and I dont have 9x or 88 or 77 either.

Do you think the c-bet of the flop is alright though or do you think I should have checked it?

 

[AlfieAA]

and the turn imo lol

Anyone like the river jam here? trying to get like TT-QQ to fold. I have a feeling that no one will like it because were not supposed to bluff at 2NL but I figure cos the flush came in and with the pre-flop action I could get away with it. In retrospect I personally think it kind of sucks because its not even a pot-sized bet which gives him a sweet price to call.

Villain: 18/13/1 over 114 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP3 ($1.99)
CO ($2)
Button ($2.03)
SB ($1.18)
Hero (BB) ($3.46)
UTG ($0.96)
UTG+1 ($0.74)
Villain (MP1) ($6.22)
MP2 ($1.31)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, A

2 folds, Villain bets $0.06, 3 folds, Button raises to $0.18, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.60, Villain calls $0.54, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.39) 9

, 2

, 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $1, Villain calls $1

Turn: ($3.39) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, Villain checks

River: ($3.39) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.86 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $3.39 |


Edit: 2BIs until Im out of 2NL...so ****ing sick!

dont like the 4bet here pre, this villian will not 4bet with worse hands than QQ>AA.......although by 4betting you cannot not do a cbet...otherwise he would run you over in the hand after acting so strong pre.....so cbet here is obvious imo even though the board isnt good for a cbet....but you had to go 4bet haha...i like the shove here because of the situation....you rep a hit flush draw KQ-AQ>AK ...you could have checked it down to showdown but you would have lost it....well played postflop imo...

 

[Yoshimiii]

dont like the 4bet here pre, this villian will not 4bet with worse hands than QQ>AA.......although by 4betting you cannot not do a cbet...otherwise he would run you over in the hand after acting so strong pre.....so cbet here is obvious imo even though the board isnt good for a cbet....but you had to go 4bet haha...i like the shove here because of the situation....you rep a hit flush draw KQ-AQ>AK ...you could have checked it down to showdown but you would have lost it....well played postflop imo...

You guys might not agree with my opinion on this hand but here goes...

Imo he can't rep the backdoor flush as villian is seldom gonna believe it for them pot odds, I think the 4 bet pre is fine as you will be playing OOP and as he called the flop and the 4 bet with his tight vpip I would put him on J/J, Q/Q and trying to bluff that river is not gonna be +Ev, he is gonna call it nearly all the time I think. You should have just given up by the river. As for wheter to cbet of not.. hmm, Once this villain flat calls our raise I think it rules in 10/10 + and A/Q +, unlikely he has K/K/ A/A here as he doesn't 5 bet (still can't rule it out though!) so there are more pocket pairs going to call down that flop than high cards Imo. So it isn't a huge mistake but once he calls that 4bet I would be inclinded to give up after.

I am basing my judgement off of his stats as he seems to be on the tighter side, I also don't mind a call pre-flop as, like alfie said, he is going to have the top premium hands alot here. Also take into account you have blockers for both A/A and K/K.

One more thing I think the cbet is too high, we can get him off two high cards with a half pot bet (probably) but even with 2/3 cbet here he will probably still call with overpairs.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

and the turn imo lol

Anyone like the river jam here? trying to get like TT-QQ to fold. I have a feeling that no one will like it because were not supposed to bluff at 2NL but I figure cos the flush came in and with the pre-flop action I could get away with it. In retrospect I personally think it kind of sucks because its not even a pot-sized bet which gives him a sweet price to call.

Villain: 18/13/1 over 114 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP3 ($1.99)
CO ($2)
Button ($2.03)
SB ($1.18)
Hero (BB) ($3.46)
UTG ($0.96)
UTG+1 ($0.74)
Villain (MP1) ($6.22)
MP2 ($1.31)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, A

2 folds, Villain bets $0.06, 3 folds, Button raises to $0.18, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.60, Villain calls $0.54, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.39) 9

, 2

, 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $1, Villain calls $1

Turn: ($3.39) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, Villain checks

River: ($3.39) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.86 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $3.39 |


Edit: 2BIs until Im out of 2NL...so ****ing sick!

Pre: Your 4bet is enormous -> make it closer to 2.2x or 2.5x. Also, wouldn't really cold 4bet here as it looks stupidly strong. So unless you are trying to turn AK into a bluff, I flat.

Flop: Cbet is also enormous. In 3bet/4bet/5bet pots you can make much smaller (fractionally speaking) bet sizes. I'd go no bigger than half here - prob something like 40%.

Turn: He is never ever folding better and never ever calling worse, so check.

River: Same as turn. He should not be scared of the flush. Only hand that SOMEtimes folds here is prob TT.

 

[micromachine]

So I basically never fold KK pre but twice recently I have gone in when I pretty much knew they were going to flip over AA. Here's the most recent one and the villains stats were 23/6 with 6% 3bet and AfQ 55% over 171 hands. What should I do? Flat the shitty min 5bet or fold to it?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($5)
SB ($5)
BB ($8.54)
Hero (UTG) ($15.10)
MP ($12.34)
CO ($5.27)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, K

Hero bets $0.17, 4 folds, BB raises to $0.29, Hero raises to $1.10, BB raises to $1.91, Hero raises to $15.10 (All-In), BB calls $6.63 (All-In)

Flop: ($17.10) 6

, 9

, Q

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($17.10) 5

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($17.10) 2

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $17.10 | Rake: $0.71

Results:
BB had A

, A

(one pair, Aces).
Hero had K

, K

(one pair, Kings).
Outcome: BB won $16.39

 

[Matt Vaughan]

You can't fold this without substantial history imo. He can do that with QQ. Possibly even AK. Fish love over-valuing AK.

 

[orangepeeleo]

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 2034540
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BB: $10.00
UTG: $10.00
UTG+1: $10.51
UTG+2: $19.30
MP1: $10.40
MP2: $7.25
Hero (CO): $10.92
BTN: $10.00
SB: $16.48

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with K :heart: K :spade:
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.30, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, 3 folds, UTG+2 raises to $5.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10.92 all in, UTG+2 calls $5.82

Flop: ($22.29) 5 :club: 4 :diamond: A :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($22.29) 2 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($22.29) A :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $22.29
UTG+2 shows Q :heart: Q :spade: (two pair, Aces and Queens)
Hero shows K :heart: K :spade: (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Hero wins $21.29
(Rake: $1.00)


Hand I played today, guy is 19/7/1 1%3bet, over 318 hands, at FR!