MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[Logan2]

On standard bet sizes for sure fold JJ to a 4b vs unknown, but bet sizes look so full of shit here,
2x opens on MP usually expect low pp's or SC, then the 4b size look so damn weak, i think my J´s are good here, thoughs?.

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BTN: $5.41
SB: $8.13
BB: $6.09
UTG: $3.01
MP: $4.22
Hero (CO): $5.48

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with J

J

1 fold, MP raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.46, 3 folds, MP raises to $0.82, Hero ??



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[AlfieAA]

On standard bet sizes for sure fold JJ to a 4b vs unknown, but bet sizes look so full of shit here,
2x opens on MP usually expect low pp's or SC, then the 4b size look so damn weak, i think my J´s are good here, thoughs?.

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BTN: $5.41
SB: $8.13
BB: $6.09
UTG: $3.01
MP: $4.22
Hero (CO): $5.48

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with J

J

1 fold, MP raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.46, 3 folds, MP raises to $0.82, Hero ??



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how many hands you got on him and what's his stats?....

 

[Logan2]

how many hands you got on him and what's his stats?....

On standard bet sizes for sure fold JJ to a 4b vs unknown....

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I think it's really hard to interpret something like 4bet sizing tells from an unknown.

 

[Logan2]

Agree. i see people 4b 2x with the nuts, but 1.8x is really bad if was monsters, and is really different if villain 4b shove after the min-bet pre, in that case sure could min-bet to induce the 3b, but 4b that amount don´t make much sense.

On the other hand villain is not full stacked for start, and more than the 4b size i think is more easy interpret his open raise, min opens on nanos (not on CO/BTN) is like a open book that people bet so low only when are shortstacks or when holdings are weak, is like the limping, people start with limp 22-66/SC just trying to see a flop for cheap, then they learn to not limp but instead min-open because don´t want to invest much when not going to hit that often, so they pretty much face up holdings.

Villain could do this too with monsters if some one behind is trigger-happy with 3b and expect be raised behind, but been 5nl i don´t think avg player do this, with 4 players behind usually going to face a lot of flat calls and going to end MW pots several times, and even if they do mix his game (not usual this low) i think crappy holdings are his heavy range more than a value range.

I´m still geting on to 6max, so maybe this is FOS, but like mention on previews post on 6max people is 3b/4b more frecuently and wider than what i was facing on FR, so still trying to figure out some things.

MM have a ton of time playing this level, not sure how you see this. Also will be interested to know others what you guys see on higher levels, like Neil, but open to anyone opinion.



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[Poker_Student]

Hey guys, I'm new around here and I searched for hand selection in cash games without finding much in topics about it, but I think this question may be appropriate for this thread. I recently downloaded poker stove to help me with hand selection preflop. I normally play at 9 handed tables.

I was a little shocked to see some of the hands that came up when I put in 13% which is about how tight I want to start playing overall. Obviously, it will depend on position as to what range I'm willing to open with, but at 13% I saw hands like K 9s, J 10s, Q Js, Q 10s that I don't feel confident opening and especially not from early position. Maybe I've been playing too much like a NIT in the past, but my normal opening range from early position has been pairs down to 8 8, A Qos+ and folding the other hands listed above. My goal is to develop a solid TAG style. Should I be opening these hands in EP? When should I? When shouldn't I? Should I stick with my previous opening range or loosen it up a little when in EP? I usually even fold K Q os from EP and really don't know what to do here with K Qs either. Can anyone suggest a good opening range from EP, MP, and LP in %? I understand that the suited connector hands are best played in multi-way pots against deep stacks, but in EP it's hard to know how many players will be along for the ride, leading me to believe it may just be best to fold. I'm getting back into the game after a long break and I'm trying to go back to the basics and play ABC poker while relearning and reviewing more complex concepts that I will gradually add back into my game. I will be playing $5 NL at Bovada and probably Zone poker (equivalent to Zoom or Rush) until I get Holdem Indicator at least. I think that if I'm not going to have any stats at all being tracked that zone poker may be best since it at least partially takes away someone's edge who is using the software. It also strikes me as the best game type for ABC poker to win. Thoughts?

 

[loafes]

Fold those hands from early position but play them from late position, you've much got the right idea there

 

[DrazaFFT]

Guys can someone take a quick look at this hand, i didnt want to post it at analyse section because i cant convert it and HH is really long and confusing as you already saw...

My question is would he check on the river if he had made a flush? i know that the question i really hard to answer because it depends on lot of things, dont have a lot of info on this guy but in general would someone played like that with made flush because i think that my river bet was little gambling with 3 spades on the board...

Also i would love to hear any other suggestion or comments about the hand

 

[pocketehs]

gogogogo

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $14.58 (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
SB: $57.88 (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 28)
BB: $27.37 (VPIP: 27.59, PFR: 24.14, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 32)
UTG: $54.06 (VPIP: 18.60, PFR: 16.28, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 44)
Hero (MP): $25.00
CO: $29.06 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 4)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 7:spade: 7:club:

fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, BTN calls $0.75, fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.35, 3 players) 5:club: 5:spade: 7:diamond:
BB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, fold

Turn: ($5.35, 2 players) T:diamond:
BB bets $3.50, Hero raises to $8.00, BB calls $4.50

River: ($21.35, 2 players) 7:heart:
BB bets $17.12 and is all-in, Hero calls $14.75 and is all-in

BB shows T:heart: T:spade: (Full House, Tens full of Sevens) (Pre 81%, Flop 9%, Turn 98%)
Hero shows 7:spade: 7:club: (Four of a Kind, Sevens) (Pre 19%, Flop 91%, Turn 2%)
Hero wins $48.85



Hugeeee fan of his donk OTR its funny i actually said deuce of clubs before it came!

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $7.45 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
SB: $36.19 (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 18.42, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)
BB: $9.38 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (UTG): $36.34
MP: $29.26 (VPIP: 7.14, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
CO: $29.19 (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 15.31, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 104)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K:heart: K:club:

Hero raises to $0.75, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.25, 3 players) K:spade: T:club: 3:club:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.45, SB calls $1.45, BB calls $1.45

Turn: ($6.60, 3 players) 2:spade:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $4.25, SB calls $4.25, BB calls $4.25

River: ($19.35, 3 players) 2:club:
SB bets $10.75, fold, Hero raises to $29.89 and is all-in, SB calls $18.99 and is all-in

Hero shows K:heart: K:club: (Full House, Kings full of Twos) (Pre 68%, Flop 67%, Turn 77%)
SB shows A:club: Q:club: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 32%, Flop 33%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins $76.83

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

canadians eh

 

[Cafeman]

Get oot of here!

 

[pocketehs]

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2349409

can I include all these hands in his range? Im trying to justify my river call.

fwiw I was talking to deuces about it and we both agree turn is a check.


Board:


equity Win Tie
BU 87.04% 87.04% 0.00% Ac7c
BB 12.96% 12.96% 0.00% 99-77, K9s-K7s, 97s+, 87s, KcQc, KcJc, K9o-K7o, 97o+, 87o


Without the offsuit hands

Board:


Equity Win Tie
BU 82.50% 82.50% 0.00% Ac7c
BB 17.50% 17.50% 0.00% 99-77, K9s-K7s, 97s+, 87s, KcQc, KcJc, K9o-K7o

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

I think you're giving him too wide a range for doing this..

it's mostly sets/straights, dunno how many 2 pairs he bets this river with since you improved a lot on this river I think..

+ we have blockers to his pair + FD bluff range because he doesnt raise Kxs OTT?

so yeah I fold I think.

 

[pocketehs]

I think you're giving him too wide a range for doing this..

it's mostly sets/straights, dunno how many 2 pairs he bets this river with since you improved a lot on this river I think..

+ we have blockers to his pair + FD bluff range because he doesnt raise Kxs OTT?

so yeah I fold I think.

its vs a fish so do you think his range can be wider to include Kxs or more narrow to just sets? i guess he can have JT/56 for straights..

yeah i think river might be a fold but im trying to find a full range. its a fish so doesnt his TP still bet river? kinda sick folding there


w JT/56

Board:

Equity Win Tie
BU 45.83% 45.83% 0.00% Ac7c
BB 54.17% 54.17% 0.00% 99-77, K9s-K7s, JTs, 97s+, 87s, 65s, KcQc, KcJc, K9o-K7o, JTo, 65o


w/o 97/89 because i dont think they raise turn


Board:

Equity Win Tie
BU 41.79% 41.79% 0.00% Ac7c
BB 58.21% 58.21% 0.00% 99-77, K9s-K7s, JTs, 87s, 65s, KcQc, KcJc, K9o-K7o, JTo, 65o

What else can I remove?

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

dont think he raises KQo and shit OTT though..

remove K7s, KQcc, KJcc, K7o, 65o imo

 

[pocketehs]

am i allowed to x/f turn? or is it still a b/f?


PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $43.95 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB: $12.25 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 63)
BB: $32.16 (VPIP: 21.69, PFR: 17.47, 3Bet Preflop: 7.46, Hands: 167)
Hero (UTG): $35.65
MP: $25.00 (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
CO: $27.82 (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 18.97, 3Bet Preflop: 12.90, Hands: 60)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A:diamond: 8:diamond:

Hero raises to $0.75, fold, CO calls $0.75, fold, SB calls $0.65, fold

Flop: ($2.50, 3 players) 9:heart: A:spade: 8:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets $1.75, CO calls $1.75, fold

Turn: ($6.00, 2 players) Q:spade:
Hero

 

[PRVZY]

am i allowed to x/f turn? or is it still a b/f?


PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $43.95 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB: $12.25 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 63)
BB: $32.16 (VPIP: 21.69, PFR: 17.47, 3Bet Preflop: 7.46, Hands: 167)
Hero (UTG): $35.65
MP: $25.00 (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
CO: $27.82 (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 18.97, 3Bet Preflop: 12.90, Hands: 60)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A♦ 8♦

Hero raises to $0.75, fold, CO calls $0.75, fold, SB calls $0.65, fold

Flop: ($2.50, 3 players) 9♥ A♠ 8♥
SB checks, Hero bets $1.75, CO calls $1.75, fold

Turn: ($6.00, 2 players) Q♠
Hero

I don´t think so

 

[JCgrind]

^ neither

 

[loafes]

$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
BB = ($2.19)
MP2 = ($1.36)
MP3 (Hero) = ($6.41)
CO = ($0.77)
BU = ($2.00)
SB = ($4.05)


Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J

, J

.
MP2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 3 folds, BB raises to $0.26, Hero calls $0.20.

Flop: ($0.53) 5

, 7

, 6

(2 players)
BB bets $0.38, Hero calls $0.38.

Turn: ($1.29) T

(2 players)
BB bets $0.62, Hero folds, BB gets uncalled bet back.

Final Pot: $1.29.


Is this a terrible fold, it was mainly the preflop 3b size that made me think he had a monster but just looking at the hand now, his post flop bet sizing isn't as big as I thought, guess I wasn't paying much attention with several other tables including big pots. Villian is unknown

my general thinking is that I don't really beat any of villians value range and if I do call the turn then I probably have to call a shove on the river plus even if he had say AK with a diamond then he still has outs if I do call

 

[Matt Vaughan]

First off, I don't see any suits, so I'll just take your word that there are 3 diamonds out there or something.

Second, this seems like a pretty standard fold on the turn unless you have a read that he has enough air here.

 

[loafes]

Thanks, I figured it probably was a super standard fold but I think having been playing the 2NL tables on 888 it feels as though folding an over pair is unnatural lol



Odd that you can't see the suites, it works fine at my end. But yeah the turn brought a 3rd diamond

 

[pocketehs]

was moving between 25nl zoom and 16nl reg tables but decided to move back to 16nl until I have really worked on my ranges. Zooms a different game imo and Im not good enough for 25nl zoom yet.

Was absolutely crushing for a couple days and my mental game like tilting has been really solid until a couple days ago. Think that like forgetting about badbeats everytime you gets suckedout was helping but I still have this issue that like everytime I login I assume I should be winning and end up just spewing cause I barrel more and 3bet more just trying to win pots. or like that when regs 3bet me I have to play back all the time bc theyre trying to exploit me in some way.

Im going to try to just work on my frequencies in different spots so this doesn't happen (or at least less often). Like i open KTo OTB and get 3bet from a reg who has a high 3bet. If I know what my range should be in this spot, I can either fold or 4bet because he's shouldnt be exploiting my btn opening range or F3B.


pretty much just writing this to get my own thoughts down also just got TMGOP 2 from Audible. Ill let everyone know what I think

 

[duggs]

I think its best to just think about where in your range each hand falls, if you want to bluff in a certain spot a bit, but can viably get there with better bluff candidates, then fold and move on knowing that you will have an appropriate bluffing range there etc

 

[pocketehs]

I think its best to just think about where in your range each hand falls, if you want to bluff in a certain spot a bit, but can viably get there with better bluff candidates, then fold and move on knowing that you will have an appropriate bluffing range there etc

ya this is what I mean kind. Like if I open a certain % in a spot and villain 3bets, what my range looks like for flatting vs his 3bet, what hands in my opening range are candidates for 4betting for value and bluffs.

I think Im just spewy sometimes and am like "he cant have anything here Im going to 4bet wit K2o" or something

 

[JCgrind]

ya this is what I mean kind. Like if I open a certain % in a spot and villain 3bets, what my range looks like for flatting vs his 3bet, what hands in my opening range are candidates for 4betting for value and bluffs.

I think Im just spewy sometimes and am like "he cant have anything here Im going to 4bet wit K2o" or something

given hes 3bing at a high enough frequency though, i honestly dont see whats wrong with that. obviously they still need to be excessively playign into me PF, but im much more likely to use factors such as the action and relative player positions when deciding how likely it is that i can get a light 4b through.
i swear the only people actually have a 4b range is so that they keep their frequencies in check.