MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

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He's fishy, but passive and raised PF and led OTT AI.... Doesn't seem like anything I want to play against with a simple pair. What makes you think that someone who only raised 4 times in 35 hands has QJ and shoves a straight draw or any suited cards shoving a FD with a pair on board? Doesn't add up. ONLY if they have QJ with a FD can I see this even being possible, but I still can't see a passive player taking that line with that hand.
 
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I'm calling there. We only have to win 1/3 to profit. Easy call.
 
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Benji, loose passive fish don't only bet with super strong relative hand strengths - they don't even understand relative hand strength. They bet strong when they think they have a really good hand.

If in their head, KQ is a good hand here, then they could easily take this line.
 
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^ this. I've seen this happen quite a lot with opponents having Kx here.
 
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You're probably right, I just see 11% PFR and notice that KQ is at the very bottom of villain's range. Perhaps that's why they flat the 3b, though. I don't know how they play post-flop, but pre, we're very hopeful that they're holding KQ.
 
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77 = 1 combo
TT = 3 combos
KQ = 8 combos

So even if he never EVER has KJ (he probably does from this position, since once he raises he won't be folding much), we're still not folding here.
 
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AA = 3 combos
KK = 1 combo

Tbf, I don't know if that changes anything, but I was also considering those possibilities.

I don't think this guy has a 4-bet range based on his passive nature. As with all things, I could be very wrong.
 
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Thanks for the feedback everybody. I was going to call this but I ended up thinking my way out of it. I guess I was afraid of the idea of making a mistake. In situations like this sometimes I don’t know what the best play is. I just folded instead of letting myself time out.
 
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Feedback on this hand as well please. This is Zone Poker on Bovada so there is no stats.

$5NL Zone Poker 6 handed

hero Button ($5.01)
BB ($4.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K
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, K
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4 folds, Hero raises $0.18, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.40) 6
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, 7
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, 3
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, BB calls $0.35

Turn: ($1.10) Q
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.16,
You probaly wonder why I bet so small here. Well...It was mistake :D. I meant to bet closer to pot. I rushed it and messed it up. I know...way to go.

And then this...
BB raises $0.85

What does hero do in this spot with no reads?
 
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AK would be a call, particularly if the flop bet was larger as it should've been (since our odds become more attractive). You want to charge a player with stats that look like those a little more to try and hit their 2p or trips or flush or straight etc that they love to try and catch.

AA is a raise ffs, or hey call or anything other than fold which would be atrocious imo.

JJ ehh that one's closer. I'd be relying more on reads and stats in that spot as the key point here is how villain perceives us and whether he expects to be paid by taking such a line. Also relevant is our reasoning for betting full pot there. If the jam was smaller I'd say cawl since my first impression when he does this is nut flush draw (which is still more likely to win than our hand btw) but he covers us and does this into 2 players so I'm good with a fold. If the tag along was an uber drooler then maaayyybe it's enough of an overlay to call it off but I would still advocate a fold for players who uh maybe aren't fully at peace with the amount of variance inherent to spots like this (in other words they tilt a bit heh).

KK is a bit weird because of the turn antics. His raise is probably for value, and you don't really beat anything that raises for value except like a AsQx or KsQx. In villain's shoes I'd likely interpret your ridiculous turn bet as weakness or fear and raise with 9 high for that reason alone, but this 5NL player isn't even full stacked so I won't assume he's thinking in that manner. Anyway this hand is easier to play ofc without messing up the turn bet, and it's always a good idea to take a second or two just to think and plan before you ever do anything, on any street, even just to balance your timing a bit if nothing else.
 
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zEric7x said:
Feedback on this hand as well please. This is Zone Poker on Bovada so there is no stats.

$5NL Zone Poker 6 handed

hero Button ($5.01)
BB ($4.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K
heart.gif
, K
club.gif

4 folds, Hero raises $0.18, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.40) 6
spade.gif
, 7
spade.gif
, 3
spade.gif
(2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, BB calls $0.35

Turn: ($1.10) Q
diamond.gif
(2 players)
Hero bets $0.16,
You probaly wonder why I bet so small here. Well...It was mistake :D. I meant to bet closer to pot. I rushed it and messed it up. I know...way to go.

And then this...
BB raises $0.85

What does hero do in this spot with no reads?

I'm flatting this and checking to him on the river with the intention of calling.
 
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DunningKruger said:
AK would be a call, particularly if the flop bet was larger as it should've been (since our odds become more attractive). You want to charge a player with stats that look like those a little more to try and hit their 2p or trips or flush or straight etc that they love to try and catch.

AA is a raise ffs, or hey call or anything other than fold which would be atrocious imo.

JJ ehh that one's closer. I'd be relying more on reads and stats in that spot as the key point here is how villain perceives us and whether he expects to be paid by taking such a line. Also relevant is our reasoning for betting full pot there. If the jam was smaller I'd say cawl since my first impression when he does this is nut flush draw (which is still more likely to win than our hand btw) but he covers us and does this into 2 players so I'm good with a fold. If the tag along was an uber drooler then maaayyybe it's enough of an overlay to call it off but I would still advocate a fold for players who uh maybe aren't fully at peace with the amount of variance inherent to spots like this (in other words they tilt a bit heh).

KK is a bit weird because of the turn antics. His raise is probably for value, and you don't really beat anything that raises for value except like a AsQx or KsQx. In villain's shoes I'd likely interpret your ridiculous turn bet as weakness or fear and raise with 9 high for that reason alone, but this 5NL player isn't even full stacked so I won't assume he's thinking in that manner. Anyway this hand is easier to play ofc without messing up the turn bet, and it's always a good idea to take a second or two just to think and plan before you ever do anything, on any street, even just to balance your timing a bit if nothing else.

I was getting worried that I had literally no idea what I was talking about. Glad I'm not the only one thinking folding here would be too tight. =/
 
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Once again thanks for the advice. Maybe if I read enough I will stop being a nit-fish (LOL is that a thing?) Either way I appreciate the feedback.
 
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hi all,

sorry if the question has already been asked, i didn't read the whole thread.

When can you humbly say that you "crush" the microstakes at let's say 5NL ?
You can say you do after observing a constant win rate of how many BB/100 hands with a sample of how many hands ?
 
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5+ I would say.

However, I'm not suggesting that everyone posting in here is crushing. Don't you worry about an actual designation of "MicroCrusher!!"
 
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Couldn't sleep, and too tired to keep playing $25nl.

So I'm 4-tabling PLO!!!

#goodnightsweetprince
 
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/Logan/ said:

Hand 1) I'd 5bet jam and be happy about it

Hand 2) I'm fine with everything up to the river. I'd flat there, and if you absolutely have to raise min-raise not jam. I don't see AJ/AT calling a jam here, but it's $10nl sooooooooooooo maybe he will.

Hand 3) I would've gone to ~$1.50 pf, but close enough. I would personally bet this out. After check/check/jam Hero calls Villain 2 overcalls. That scares me, but he could be an idiot too. If you think he'll spew off I like c/c'ing down. But after you bet out and he ships I think you have to fold there. It's hard in a vacuum because this seems like the player type I could possibly stack off in this spot against, but I'd want to see his play first and again I'd let him lead the betting more instead of him raising my turn bet, that's not as sexy when we get it in.
 
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I already posted in your thread, but I'll put it here too, in case this is where most of the discussion happens:

AKss: Seems like we unnecessarily turn our hand into a semibluff. And a bad one at that. He might call off with the bare Ac I guess, but virtually everything else will fold, and he'll often have a little more equity with a pair when he does continue.

AQs: Um. River is probably a call, but jamming seems like the worst option to me unless you have some sick read that he doesn't fold anything ever and that he'd take this line with a worse ace (he might not fold anything he bets, but I don't think he bets worse aces). Otherwise it's between calling and folding, and again that comes down to any reads. I default to calling based on sizing, but it wouldn't take much of a read for me to want to fold here tbh, given his passive stats. He can easily have missed clubs though so I tend to call.

AK: Flop is fine. There's absolutely no reason to bet turn, and the call off is terrible imo. Like yes, we're getting 6:1, but part of that is a main, part is a side, so it's a little tricky, and we have no reason to think we're ahead. Player7 literally should not have a hand he bluffs here, so we're basically chopping or losing unless you really think he's value jamming KJ here. I'd be shocked if he had worse than QJ here, and I'm guessing his range is closer to PP's that made boats and AQ/KQ. But again, just don't bet turn, and we don't have to make this really weird calldown.
 
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Little busy with Neteller (on the phone at the time). BRB to comment on hands
 
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AKss: His 3b is only 2 on 285 hands at the time (have 348 hands now on him and 3b still 2), his 4b is 20 (1/5) been this the only time he 4b, so i give him Ako/AKs/QQ+ (2.56%)
then we got 41.90% equity, so not happy about it, this is 10nl people don't have 4/5b meta game. (not when his 3b is 2)

Which decide me to flat, then flop is shitty as vs that range we split with AKo or get beat some times vs AcK, crushed by AA/KK and we beat only QQ, but if have a club still a shitty position to be, so i have no idea what to do and just expecting he have AK/QQ and maybe call with a club but even if fold will be fine which probably wrong.

So, agree shoving not the best on flop but then what is our plan?, just call flop and call turn if no club? if club come at some point we fold?,
flating flop looks better, although going to be on awkward spot on turn or river anyway, so meh, almost want to fold pre ja.
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AQ: Agree with both, jamming looks too optimistic, just calling looks like best line, he can bet missed draws too so not folding but not jamming also (he have 2Js of course that piec* ** *****)

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AK: Totally agree guys, played this one terrible, i think when villain raise turn even when odds are so good he have Qx like all the time considering his stats and should be a easy fold.

Getting back to turn, if we check turn and he bets $4.50 are we folding?
(he have QQ btw)

Thx guys.
 
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1st hand: well played. Shove seems standard to me.

2nd hand: more otf. As played I just call the river. I don't think that much worse calls the shove unless he's a drooler.

3rd hand: maybe a bit more pre. Otherwise nice hand. Yes we are rarely good but I'm not checking the turn there, so it plays itself.

No huge leaks in these hands imo. Well played Logan.
 
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@scourrge, in the AK hand the deeper stacked villain can certainly call with worse. The flop all-in was like 1/3 pot maybe 1/2. Not sure, haven't looked back at the hand. Either way a king would continue as would at least one straight draw. Imo we bet the turn there.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but there are arguments for betting the turn. It's not black and white. I think too frequently players look at hindsight. Yes, if villain shoves we are almost never good but that's not a reason to not bet the turn. Once he has shoved we basically have to call off unless we know he's a super standard reg.
 
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Cheers YGM. Agree on more otf on hand 2, was thinking 65/75 but surprised was not mentioned.

So, we all agree hand 2 is a call not jam. Hand 3 clear fold after raise although think YGM is saying not folding.

Hand 1, Mase say 5b pre, Matt only mention shove flop is bad but not what line should take, and ygm say wp, so not clear what should do guys.

 
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After looking at hand 3 sizes again. Yeah it's a fold I think. I didn't realise we had as much as that behind. So imo bet/fold turn.
 
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