MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[AlfieAA]

OK failed with my 16nl/25nl shot...and now running bad at 5nl

Bankroll is $250, which sucks cos I was hoping to start next year with $500 and a week ago I had about $450. Oh well new year new start

sorry to hear that man, but you will come back stronger next time...think positive mate

 

[orangepeeleo]

I hope you're joking mate, I thought you were one of the best crusher players on here....take a break for a few days and relax...I felt the same all last week and now I'm back with avengeance....chin up

Lol, no chance I crush, at best I'd say I'm a mediocre mostly b/e recreational player! Which contradicts the lifetime graphs in my thread but w/e, I live in the moment and at the moment I'm shit!

Yes, BE is breakeven.

And peels, I'm not sure if you are frustrated because you feel you are not progressing through the limits, or because you don't feel that your game (knowledge of theory, ability to execute, etc) is progressing.

The former has more to do with variance (something you can't control), and results-orientedness (something you can). I'm guessing it's more the latter, and if that's the case, perhaps you could go for some strategy vids and/or articles, as JB mentioned. I found DC to be fantastic for the time I was a subscribing member. Most people find it to be well worth the price, as well. (I just didn't have time at school to get enough out of it - considering getting a 1-month subscription for my winter break).

And, if you ARE watching vids, and still find yourself not feeling like you are making steps and strides forward, then I would emphasize FOCUSing on the vids you are watching. It is SO easy to watch, but not absorb, or even do other things and "multitask" (there's no such thing, btw, our conscious mind can switch between tasks quickly, but not truly multitask). So try taking notes on vids, or pausing every once in a while and speaking a new concept (or an old one) from the vid out loud to yourself to hammer it home and embed it in your memory in the best way that you understand it.

You know what, I'm not watching vids, or doing any sort of review/study, I just dont have the time, and making time is hard for me, with work and the family n stuff I get prob 1.5hrs at most per day, and I feel like thats not enough time at all, I hit no volume as it is and if I spend any of that 1.5hrs per night on studying then I hit even less If you ask me at any point of my day what I would rather be doing its playing poker, I have like an all or nothing attitude to everything in life and this doesnt balance well with being a husband/father!

I'm more frustrated with not progressing through the levels, and I HATE that I can't play 6m, like it annoys the living **** out of me for some reason, I see 6m as something that needs to be learnt, because if you play FR, you have 1 choice of site and thats it, and when I'm spending half my time jumping onto and off of tables to get away from increasing numbers of shortstacks and meh regs (meh regs not all that bad a thing, but can be as theyre not making HUGE stack sized mistakes as a fish would) I feel like that sites not that great, and if I have to put so much effort into table selecting at 10nl then whats the ****ing point lol

OK failed with my 16nl/25nl shot...and now running bad at 5nl

Bankroll is $250, which sucks cos I was hoping to start next year with $500 and a week ago I had about $450. Oh well new year new start

I'm at $245 so we can both have a new start together!

 

[honeycrush]

I'm at $245 so we can both have a new start together!

If you and micro are moving down to 5NL, I think I'd better move back to 2NL. I'm having enough trouble as it is without the likes of you two there.

 

[AlfieAA]

Villian 50/25/3.5


so this loose (passive, agg????) raises pre...which means to me that he has a big hand...AA>1010 AK-AQ-KQ ...because he limps his pairs, SC's Ax's ...so im not scared of the flop...the 9 doesnt concern me because its not in his strong raising pre range....but i check the flop just to see how he acts, if he will check to the turn or bet.......

so he bets pot, and i know for a fact he hasnt hit the flop, so im rulling out SC's and AX's....so he's either got AA>TT now.....so im beat.....but i go all in anyway because im loose like that and stupid ...

I HIT THE SET on the turn lol, im laughing my head off that i put him on ACES and i sucked out on him.....im in stitches cannot breath......river ACE ....im still laughing it was so funny.......anyway....

the moral of the story is i was bad play but very helpful at the same time...im focusing on stats/ranges/positon/betting tells.....just thought i would share the lol hand....thoughts as always welcome

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

UTG+1 ($2)
MP1 ($4.36)
Hero (MP2) ($1.56)
CO ($1.57)
Button ($3.51)
SB ($1.10)
BB ($5)
UTG ($2)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4

, 4

2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, CO bets $0.08, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.27) 2

, 3

, 9

(3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.24, MP1 calls $0.24, Hero raises to $1.48 (All-In), CO raises to $1.49 (All-In), 1 fold

Turn: ($3.47) 4

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($3.47) A

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.47 | Rake: $0.12

Results:
Hero had 4

, 4

(three of a kind, fours).
CO had A

, A

(three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: CO won $3.35

 

[youregoodmate]

Villian 50/25/3.5


so this loose (passive, agg????) raises pre...which means to me that he has a big hand...AA>1010 AK-AQ-KQ ...because he limps his pairs, SC's Ax's ...so im not scared of the flop...the 9 doesnt concern me because its not in his strong raising pre range....but i check the flop just to see how he acts, if he will check to the turn or bet.......

so he bets pot, and i know for a fact he hasnt hit the flop, so im rulling out SC's and AX's....so he's either got AA>TT now.....so im beat.....but i go all in anyway because im loose like that and stupid ...

I HIT THE SET on the turn lol, im laughing my head off that i put him on ACES and i sucked out on him.....im in stitches cannot breath......river ACE ....im still laughing it was so funny.......anyway....

the moral of the story is i was bad play but very helpful at the same time...im focusing on stats/ranges/positon/betting tells.....just thought i would share the lol hand....thoughts as always welcome

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

UTG+1 ($2)
MP1 ($4.36)
Hero (MP2) ($1.56)
CO ($1.57)
Button ($3.51)
SB ($1.10)
BB ($5)
UTG ($2)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4

, 4

2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, CO bets $0.08, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.27) 2

, 3

, 9

(3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.24, MP1 calls $0.24, Hero raises to $1.48 (All-In), CO raises to $1.49 (All-In), 1 fold

Turn: ($3.47) 4

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($3.47) A

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.47 | Rake: $0.12

Results:
Hero had 4

, 4

(three of a kind, fours).
CO had A

, A

(three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: CO won $3.35

I feel this is a little spewy...

 

[Logan2]

OK failed with my 16nl/25nl shot...and now running bad at 5nl

Bankroll is $250, which sucks cos I was hoping to start next year with $500 and a week ago I had about $450. Oh well new year new start

Sorry to read that bro.


Alfie WTF!! man.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Isnt that what a standard pot odds calc means tho? Any chance you could find out how it calc'd this? Like 3.41 : 1 is the same as 1 / 3.41 = 29%. Im just curious if theres something that Im missing or have screwed up on..

No no no!! Sorry, but I see people screw this up SO often. 3.41:1 is a ratio, not a fraction (like a percentage represents).

Would anyone be interested in my going into detail about how we turn pot odds into equity needed to breakeven?

Long story short is if our pot odds are B:A (risking A to win B), our equity needed to call with no more action to come is A/(B+A). And multiply by 100 to go from a decimal to a percentage. But as simple as this looks, it falls out of EV equations. So if anyone wants to see more detail on this, let me know.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Villian 50/25/3.5


so this loose (passive, agg????) raises pre...which means to me that he has a big hand...AA>1010 AK-AQ-KQ ...because he limps his pairs, SC's Ax's ...so im not scared of the flop...the 9 doesnt concern me because its not in his strong raising pre range....but i check the flop just to see how he acts, if he will check to the turn or bet.......

so he bets pot, and i know for a fact he hasnt hit the flop, so im rulling out SC's and AX's....so he's either got AA>TT now.....so im beat.....but i go all in anyway because im loose like that and stupid ...

I HIT THE SET on the turn lol, im laughing my head off that i put him on ACES and i sucked out on him.....im in stitches cannot breath......river ACE ....im still laughing it was so funny.......anyway....

the moral of the story is i was bad play but very helpful at the same time...im focusing on stats/ranges/positon/betting tells.....just thought i would share the lol hand....thoughts as always welcome

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

UTG+1 ($2)
MP1 ($4.36)
Hero (MP2) ($1.56)
CO ($1.57)
Button ($3.51)
SB ($1.10)
BB ($5)
UTG ($2)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4

, 4

2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, CO bets $0.08, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.27) 2

, 3

, 9

(3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.24, MP1 calls $0.24, Hero raises to $1.48 (All-In), CO raises to $1.49 (All-In), 1 fold

Turn: ($3.47) 4

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($3.47) A

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.47 | Rake: $0.12

Results:
Hero had 4

, 4

(three of a kind, fours).
CO had A

, A

(three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: CO won $3.35

Also, this is like the definition of spew. His range isn't probably as narrow as you think here. Plus there are 3 players. Just a gross spot. I know you know this, but yeah, you put him on a range that beats you 90% at showdown (you have 2 outs), and then shoved when he can never ever fold (an overpair).

Basically looks like tilt to me?

 

[JOEBOB69]

Yeah to be honest it looks like when you raise pre,bet pot,bet turn,shove river and you get called my a small pp. Because they put you on one hand and one hand only AK.

 

[Yoshimiii]

down 8 buy ins today. Gonna do what alfie is doing and work on my leaks/game before trying to move up the limits.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Villian 50/25/3.5


so this loose (passive, agg????) raises pre...which means to me that he has a big hand...AA>1010 AK-AQ-KQ ...because he limps his pairs, SC's Ax's ...so im not scared of the flop...the 9 doesnt concern me because its not in his strong raising pre range....but i check the flop just to see how he acts, if he will check to the turn or bet.......

so he bets pot, and i know for a fact he hasnt hit the flop, so im rulling out SC's and AX's....so he's either got AA>TT now.....so im beat.....but i go all in anyway because im loose like that and stupid ...

I HIT THE SET on the turn lol, im laughing my head off that i put him on ACES and i sucked out on him.....im in stitches cannot breath......river ACE ....im still laughing it was so funny.......anyway....

the moral of the story is i was bad play but very helpful at the same time...im focusing on stats/ranges/positon/betting tells.....just thought i would share the lol hand....thoughts as always welcome

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

UTG+1 ($2)
MP1 ($4.36)
Hero (MP2) ($1.56)
CO ($1.57)
Button ($3.51)
SB ($1.10)
BB ($5)
UTG ($2)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4

, 4

2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, CO bets $0.08, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.27) 2

, 3

, 9

(3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.24, MP1 calls $0.24, Hero raises to $1.48 (All-In), CO raises to $1.49 (All-In), 1 fold

Turn: ($3.47) 4

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($3.47) A

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.47 | Rake: $0.12

Results:
Hero had 4

, 4

(three of a kind, fours).
CO had A

, A

(three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: CO won $3.35

Seems like you don't know what aggression factor categories to put people in based on the numbers, I got this off of the holdem manager 2 website:

<1 he is very passive, likes to check call mostly and when he bets he is betting for value. These are passive calling stations.
>4 he is very aggressive, bets all his draws and is raising lots wherever he can.

In the middle is around average, sometimes checking draws, sometimes being aggressive.
This villain is more on the aggressiveness side, although not a maniac.

 

[Yoshimiii]

No no no!! Sorry, but I see people screw this up SO often. 3.41:1 is a ratio, not a fraction (like a percentage represents).

Would anyone be interested in my going into detail about how we turn pot odds into equity needed to breakeven?

Long story short is if our pot odds are B:A (risking A to win B), our equity needed to call with no more action to come is A/(B+A). And multiply by 100 to go from a decimal to a percentage. But as simple as this looks, it falls out of EV equations. So if anyone wants to see more detail on this, let me know.

I think it would be helpful if you could go over it in more detail if you have the time. I sometimes calculate my pot odds wrong based on the number of streets to come and blockers and possible flush cards to come etc.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I think it would be helpful if you could go over it in more detail if you have the time. I sometimes calculate my pot odds wrong based on the number of streets to come and blockers and possible flush cards to come etc.

Okay, I'll go more in-depth. I have a bit of time at the moment where I literally have nothing to do, so this is prob good, haha.

Let's take a very simple example. We're HU on the river, facing a bet, and let's just say for simplicity that we'd end up all in (we don't have the option to raise, and therefore no FE). So we can call, hoping to win the pot, or we can fold. How do we know what our expected value is for calling? It's called an EV equation. (Note that folding is ALWAYS zero EV.)

EV(call) = (Amount in the pot)x(% of the time we win) - (Amount we have to call)x(% of the time we lose)

Note that the amount in the pot includes the villain's bet. Also, the % of time we win is our equity. In addition, when we call we can either win or lose, so (% of the time we win) + (% of the time we lose) = 1. So we'll re-write the equation more succinctly:

EV(call) = (Pot-size)x(Equity) - (Bet-size)(1 - Equity)

Now we assume that we want to make at LEAST a breakeven call, so EV > or = to 0. We know all the variables aside from Equity in this, so we do some algebra to solve for the Equity we need to make this true.

0 < (Pot)x(Equity) - (Bet)x(1 - Equity)
0 < (Pot)x(Equity) - (Bet) - (Bet)x(-Equity)
0 < (Pot + Bet)x(Equity) - (Bet)
Flipping things around and adding "Bet" to both sides:
(Pot + Bet)x(Equity) > (Bet)
Equity > (Bet)/(Pot+Bet)

This is the result I cited earlier. Note that we have said nothing about what the bet or pot sizes actually are. You just plug those in to determine the equity needed to make calling the bet +EV. So a very simple example:

The pot is $100, HU on the river in a $1/2 game, and we have $100 while waiting for our opponent to bet. Villain bets enough to put us all in, so an effective $100 bet. (IMPORTANT: The pot is now $200.) What equity do we need against villain's range to make this a profitable call?

Equity > (Bet)/(Pot+Bet)
Equity > ($100)/($200 + $100)
Equity > 1/3 = 33.33%

So we need at least 33.33% equity against villain's range for this to be a breakeven call. Now let's look at how this relates to pot odds. We said there is $200 in the pot, and we are facing a $100 bet, which means are pot odds are $200:$100 or 2:1. So looking at these pot odds, we can go straight to our equation.

Equity > 1/(2+1)
Equity > 1/3 = 33.33%

It's just a short-cut that skips some of the details in spots where you would never want to do an EV equation and really don't need to. But note that all of this is a very straightforward and simplistic example. Things get more complicated if you have the option to raise, or if there are more players to act, and multi-street EV equations can get quite messy. But it doesn't mean this isn't important. If we can make a relatively accurate range for villain's on the river facing a bet like this, we can make a quick and mathematically sound decision on what is profitable.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I think it would be helpful if you could go over it in more detail if you have the time. I sometimes calculate my pot odds wrong based on the number of streets to come and blockers and possible flush cards to come etc.

Also, note that your equity ("card odds," outs, etc.) is not the same as your pot odds. Pot odds are ONLY referring to the odds that the pot is "laying you" on a call. Relating the size of the pot to the size of the bet you must call.

 

[Logan2]

I can't play poker, i dunno whats wrong with my game but im getting absolutely nowhere

OK failed with my 16nl/25nl shot...and now running bad at 5nl

down 8 buy ins today. Gonna do what alfie is doing and work on my leaks/game before trying to move up the limits.

Damn, i remember last month when couple of us start to run bad then everyone else was running crappy also, probably need to set a stop lost right now before doom switch get me too.

 

[AlfieAA]

@crushers, have you all got skype accounts?...ive just downloaded it just now, looks cool, could do SWEATS while playing or IM chat ...could even make a group with us,,,,would be faster than this...something different......get on it

 

[Yoshimiii]

Damn, i remember last month when couple of us start to run bad then everyone else was running crappy also, probably need to set a stop lost right now before doom switch get me too.

some were bad beats, a few were my own fault.

 

[micromachine]

If you and micro are moving down to 5NL, I think I'd better move back to 2NL. I'm having enough trouble as it is without the likes of you two there.

Stay away from the 6max tables and you'll be fine hehe

 

[micromachine]

Aww :S, I am at $330. You'll get back there soon. I'll Race you back to 16nl

Edit: what about 10nl, you have 25 buy ins for that which is enough, especially since you know what you're doing.

Yeah I'll play some 10nl when I have $300+

A race? Sounds fun...maybe good incentive! Race to $500?

 

[dsvw56]

I have skype. You're all welcome to PM if you want to add me.

 

[dsvw56]

Take advantage of this guys :

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/post-your-stats-get-some-help-217637/

 

[AlfieAA]

I have skype. You're all welcome to PM if you want to add me.

sendt you an email, dont know if it worked?

 

[dsvw56]

sendt you an email, dont know if it worked?

I got a PM from you on here. No e-mail or add request on Skype.

 

[Yoshimiii]

These 2 russians were maniacs, I reckon it's the same guy on two accounts or that they were friends, take a look at this collusion:

What do you reckon? Their should be no reason why knyazev784 should fold there, after I pointed out that I thought it was collusion they both left.

Also how do I report this to Pokerstars.

Sorry for the format... hand converter wasn't working for this hand for some reason...

PokerStars Hand #91160002356: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2012/12/22 22:07:25 WET [2012/12/22 17:07:25 ET]
Table 'Polyxo IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: CallTheRaise ($13.90 in chips)
Seat 2: knyazev784 ($18.87 in chips)
Seat 3: SAGITARIUS01 ($20.12 in chips)
Seat 4: Clarenzo20 ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 5: Yoshimiii ($28.14 in chips)
Seat 6: cyncikas ($13.03 in chips)
SAGITARIUS01: posts small blind $0.05
Clarenzo20: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Yoshimiii [9d Js]
Yoshimiii: folds
cyncikas: folds
CallTheRaise: raises $0.18 to $0.28
knyazev784: raises $0.18 to $0.46
SAGITARIUS01: raises $0.18 to $0.64
Clarenzo20: folds
CallTheRaise: calls $0.36
knyazev784: raises $0.18 to $0.82
SAGITARIUS01: raises $0.18 to $1
CallTheRaise: calls $0.36
knyazev784: raises $0.18 to $1.18
SAGITARIUS01: raises $0.18 to $1.36
CallTheRaise: calls $0.36
knyazev784: raises $0.18 to $1.54
SAGITARIUS01: raises $0.18 to $1.72
CallTheRaise said, "lol"
CallTheRaise: folds
Yoshimiii said, "I smell collusion"
knyazev784: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.18) returned to SAGITARIUS01
SAGITARIUS01 collected $4.54 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.54 | Rake $0
Seat 1: CallTheRaise folded before Flop
Seat 2: knyazev784 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 3: SAGITARIUS01 (small blind) collected ($4.54)
Seat 4: Clarenzo20 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Yoshimiii folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: cyncikas folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[Yoshimiii]

Yeah I'll play some 10nl when I have $300+

A race? Sounds fun...maybe good incentive! Race to $500?

Okay, I am $277, GL!