MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[AlfieAA]

ye Alfie that is always a 4bet pre with three people in pot, being OOP and having a short stack...

Yeah you're right, I suppose I was playing with scared money coz my whole BR was on that table lol...deffo too passive pre, wouldn't normally would bump it up to 80c and isolate the cold caller

 

[Yoshimiii]

A useful tip when Table Selecting to find the fish is to always be on the fishes left side on the table not the right! If the fish is on the seat to my left or +1 then I will leave and join a another table as I always want to have position on the loose guys. Massively helped me Maximize value and stopped getting stacked off to them.

 

[AlfieAA]

A useful tip when Table Selecting to find the fish is to always be on the fishes left side on the table not the right! If the fish is on the seat to my left or +1 then I will leave and join a another table as I always want to have position on the loose guys. Massively helped me Maximize value and stopped getting stacked off to them.

You can't really pick unless you sit at a FR table with like 4 people, luck of the draw if its a full table...also very tiring upping and leaving all the time lol

 

[Yoshimiii]

You can't really pick unless you sit at a FR table with like 4 people, luck of the draw if its a full table...also very tiring upping and leaving all the time lol

Why can't you pick and choose? I pick and choose all the time for 6 max... Tons of tables pop up every minute with 37%+ players per flop, I just keep upping and leaving till I hit the jackpot tables.

 

[AlfieAA]

Why can't you pick and choose? I pick and choose all the time for 6 max... Tons of tables pop up every minute with 37%+ players per flop, I just keep upping and leaving till I hit the jackpot tables.

you cant pick where you sit in relation to a player type...you are put where there is an available seat unless you sit at a 3 player 6max table for instance...

 

[AlfieAA]

i need some help on bet sizing.....lately ive been opening in early positions at x4 to cut down the field when i have a monster etc....and x3 for mid/late positions....although ive noticed my x4 get lots of respect and they fold round to me.....so is it scaring them away?...should i just raise x3 from all positons at 2nl?....this is something ive debated with myself alot....thanks

 

[Yoshimiii]

you cant pick where you sit in relation to a player type...you are put where there is an available seat unless you sit at a 3 player 6max table for instance...

Yes but tables always pop up easy to rejoin

 

[Yoshimiii]

i need some help on bet sizing.....lately ive been opening in early positions at x4 to cut down the field when i have a monster etc....and x3 for mid/late positions....although ive noticed my x4 get lots of respect and they fold round to me.....so is it scaring them away?...should i just raise x3 from all positons at 2nl?....this is something ive debated with myself alot....thanks

I always keep bet sizing same, 3x BB this is due to ppl not having reads on me due to bet sizing pre-flop, ovbiously at 2nl hardly anyone is paying attention but it's still good practice, Dan Harrington also keeps same bet sizing throughout as well which is why I do it. Also 4x BB in EP means that when u get 3 bet you are gonna lose more and this will happen more often as you have to get through more ppl in early position so I would just keep bet sizing same all time if I were u, can't go wrong this way.

 

[AlfieAA]

I always keep bet sizing same, 3x BB this is due to ppl not having reads on me due to bet sizing pre-flop, ovbiously at 2nl hardly anyone is paying attention but it's still good practice, Dan Harrington also keeps same bet sizing throughout as well which is why I do it. Also 4x BB in EP means that when u get 3 bet you are gonna lose more and this will happen more often as you have to get through more ppl in early position so I would just keep bet sizing same all time if I were u, can't go wrong this way.

Thanks yosh ....do you not think the risk in getting 3betted is worth getting called by 2,3 or 5 callers behind you?....risk v risk but what is the +ev one in the long term?......example....you are UTG with KK and you x3 and 3 people call and the flop comes A69r, now there is a great chance one of the villians have an ace, and more annoyingly a weak ace...and if its a fish they are never folding...if its a nit maybe but bluffing is bad at the micros so you can't win......but if you bet x4 UTG you run the risk of getting no action, but not so much 3betted at 2nl anyway...deffo 5nl but not 2nl.....its just something that has been bothering me for a while....also dan harrington is a tourney player, I dont think his books are aimed towards cash....are they?...cheers

 

[Logan2]

About not 4x on EP because we could get 3b, our utg range should be our stronger range so that compensate to be OOP. Also 3b on 2nl are not that comun unless player want to gii (in which case probably have AA/KK) or are too loose in which case we are never in bad shape.

Making all your raises 3.5x could be a good solution Alfie, you get more value when have it, you have better chances to steal when not but can be table dependant, if table is really loose you can make it even 4-5x and people still call (talking 2nl here), if table is more tigh then gtfo and look for another because on 2nl there is so many loose tables that any table <22vpp is a waist (for FR)

Harrington write books for MTT (which are great) and others for cash that never read myself so can´t say if are good or not.
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[JOEBOB69]

I don't see what the deal is here.Treat 2nl like i do 1\2 live. I just tighten up my ranges from each position. UTG or UTG+1 make it ~5x+ (you can and will get called by worse ranges). MP 4x,CO-BTN 3x it. Don't make the raise adjustment on hand strength,make it based on position.

 

[AlfieAA]

About not 4x on EP because we could get 3b, our utg range should be our stronger range so that compensate to be OOP. Also 3b on 2nl are not that comun unless player want to gii (in which case probably have AA/KK) or are too loose in which case we are never in bad shape.

Making all your raises 3.5x could be a good solution Alfie, you get more value when have it, you have better chances to steal when not but can be table dependant, if table is really loose you can make it even 4-5x and people still call (talking 2nl here), if table is more tigh then gtfo and look for another because on 2nl there is so many loose tables that any table <22vpp is a waist (for FR)

Harrington write books for MTT (which are great) and others for cash that never read myself so can´t say if are good or not.
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yeah i like the x3.5...im going to start doing that now...seems like the x3 has become standard even with the fish....they dont get that respected at the juicy tables i sit at.....maybe i should adopt a x4-5 for tables like that

do you think 22vpip is bad?...really, i usually leave a table if it goes below 20...how would you play at a table that was like 40vpip avpot 0.80c @2nl?....x5 raises?

 

[AlfieAA]

I don't see what the deal is here.Treat 2nl like i do 1\2 live. I just tighten up my ranges from each position. UTG or UTG+1 make it ~5x+ (you can and will get called by worse ranges). MP 4x,CO-BTN 3x it. Don't make the raise adjustment on hand strength,make it based on position.

yeah thats what i used to do, higher raises from early and lowering them as i went later...i never changed on the strength of the hand just position....i might go back to that x5 utg-utg+1 x4 mp and x3 CO-BTN ...

Sorry to repeat what you just said but writing this down helps me understand things better...thanks

 

[orangepeeleo]

I open 4x from everywhere apart from the CO, BTN and SB, where I open 3x

 

[Yoshimiii]

Dan harrington plays cash games as well as tourneys, also if you have K/K and their are 3 callers behind u then well... shit happens, just got to be cautious and give it up if u see action. If 3 ppl behind are calling 3x the bet then chances are they have a hand good enough to see it for 4x as well as it really isn't that much more. I just think that keeping same bet size is good practice as it doesn't matter too much for micro stakes but when you move up (and you will some day ) then keeping bet size same will just be natural to you.

Also like orangepeel and Joe said if you are going to change bet sizing PF do it based on position NOT hand strength such as opening smaller on the late positions all the time but it is really optional, no major benefits to it.

Also you want fish to never respect your bets, that way they will call you down with junk.

 

[orangepeeleo]

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2040616
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): $5.70
BTN: $4.99
SB: $5.90
BB: $7.08
UTG: $5.48

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with T :diamond: T :heart:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, BTN raises to $0.60, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.27) 3 :spade: Q :club: 3 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.95, Hero folds

Hate spots like this vs unknowns, set mining odds aren't really there but can we fold this OOP to a 3bet? Flop comes down pretty dry, and then i'm not sure what we should be doing, which makes me think that pre is either a fold or a 4bet, because we arent going to like many flops I guess.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Would never 4 bet pre here unless villain is maniac/has 3 bet % above 20% (even then I may just call). I always fold when I get in situations like these against regs/unknowns as they are going to be -EV, when the flop comes with an over-card or two the villain c-bets and you have to fold. When the flop comes low cards the villain has J/J+. It really sucks so I just fold J/J and lower to 3 bets OOP. Nothing wrong with folding remember!

 

[Yoshimiii]

Villain was a mega-fish. Hand sample: 45
94/46 and AGG % 37

I really didn't understand his line here if he had a deuce it just doesn't make any sense and I was getting really nice pot odds (22% to break even in the long run).

I think he might do this with sets but they are so unlikely and he could do this with lower two pairs with weak bet on river.

Question: Would this be the most optimal +ev line or should I have raised flop/turn?
I do hate raising one pair hands though.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2040637
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $11.05
BTN: $10.00
SB: $10.69
BB: $23.11
Hero (UTG): $11.27
MP: $11.80

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with A :spade: J :club:
Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 3 :heart: J :spade: 5 :diamond: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, SB raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($2.30) 4 :spade: (2 players)
SB bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

River: ($4.10) A :club: (2 players)
SB bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

 

[AlfieAA]

You have to cbet here on the flop to see where you are, very safe fold mate, dont think I could do that without getting some info first...

 

[Yoshimiii]

Alfie is that comment towards orangeppelo and if so it isn't a cbet it is a donk bet as he is the one calling the raise.

 

[pocketehs]

Villain was a mega-fish. Hand sample: 45
94/46 and AGG % 37

I really didn't understand his line here if he had a deuce it just doesn't make any sense and I was getting really nice pot odds (22% to break even in the long run).

I think he might do this with sets but they are so unlikely and he could do this with lower two pairs with weak bet on river.

Question: Would this be the most optimal +ev line or should I have raised flop/turn?
I do hate raising one pair hands though.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2040637
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $11.05
BTN: $10.00
SB: $10.69
BB: $23.11
Hero (UTG): $11.27
MP: $11.80

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with A ♠ J ♣
Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 3 ♥ J ♠ 5 ♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, SB raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($2.30) 4 ♠ (2 players)
SB bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

River: ($4.10) A ♣ (2 players)
SB bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

I think I would raise the turn tbh. I hate raising with TPGK hands like this as well but his bet sizing on the turn is so small that I think it almost looks like a blocker bet so that we dont make a big bet if he checks.

But as played, Im just flat calling the river as well.

Youve had some pretty interesting spots lately eh lol

Edit: howd you calc your BE in the long run? Isnt it just 1.7/5.8? I get 29%.

 

[AlfieAA]

Alfie is that comment towards orangeppelo and if so it isn't a cbet it is a donk bet as he is the one calling the raise.

Yes......hero raises first, therefore its a cbet...if he was out of position and just called a villians raise, then betted out on the flop, then it would be a donk bet...but hero shows strength pre....maybe its a donkcee bet then haha

 

[pocketehs]

Yes......hero raises first, therefore its a cbet...if he was out of position and just called a villians raise, then betted out on the flop, then it would be a donk bet...but hero shows strength pre....maybe its a donkcee bet then haha

Alfie, since the villain 3bet the heros opening raise then the villain goes into the flop with the lead and initative

 

[AlfieAA]

Alfie, since the villain 3bet the heros opening raise then the villain goes into the flop with the lead and initative

I still wouldn't call it a pure donkbet though, maybe there should be a new term for said actions

 

[JOEBOB69]

I still wouldn't call it a pure donkbet though, maybe there should be a new term for said actions

NO...
The last raiser in the hand has the initiative. If some one bets before he gets a chance it's a donk bet. If it checks around to the last person that was aggressor of the previous round of betting it's called a cbet.