***PLO Cash Game Thread***

[Tygran]

Ran up another +8 BI's + a rakeback payment today... weeee

 

[tomines]

are you gonna limp with full house on a Q ,6,6 flop ...no possible straight..
cause when i tried to raised they folded O.O

my hand was Q610A

 

[Tygran]

are you gonna limp with full house on a Q ,6,6 flop ...no possible straight..
cause when i tried to raised they folded O.O

my hand was Q610A

Confusing post is confusing

Do you mean your opponent bet the minimum on that flop? Lots of players do that... Probably most commonly to see if you will just go away and fold

 

[slycbnew]

Not sure how often you guys wander into HA, so crossposting...

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/25-pl-o-6-max-wrap-179893/

 

[Tygran]

how's rush treating you slyc? how much you been putting in there?

 

[slycbnew]

meh - last session ran a couple of big hands into bigger ones (nut fh into quads, nut fh into straight flush, etc.), hopefully next session will be better...

 

[slycbnew]

Hmm, pretty sure I don't like rush. I keep spewing off several bi's over a few thousand hands, then go back to 2-4 tabling 100bb tables and win it back over a few hundred hands. Seems counterproductive.

Seriously, are the fishier players playing the normal tables? Or is it just bad beat-itis due to the number of 1 outers that keep crushing me in rush?

 

[cAPSLOCK]

There is something that obviously intensifies the perception of coolerness in rush poker.

To be honest I have not felt this myself as rush sort of suits me on some level, but I don't play it much because the swings are faster than my usual low volume game, and therefore the game kinda spooks me. I would think that volume players wouldn't have this problem.

But, I have read many many many opinions that the "bad beats" seem to come with more spooky speed to rush players. If they are quadrupling their volume, it might make sense, but it seems like most folks are multitablers anyway.

It would be interesting to think about what causes this perception.

 

[slycbnew]

Yeah, I think the increase in volume is going to highlight variance more than lower volumes. fwiw, I'm not a volume player at PLO - 4 tables is pretty much all I can handle, and I'm much better off 2 tabling.

The only other things I could think of were that:

1. The rush players are seeing more hands - so they're less likely to stack off really light than players who have a lot less experience (in the sense of hands played)? But meh to that, I've seen some pretty goofy stackoffs in rush, guys getting it in terrible equity, so...

2. Purely recreational players, I'm guessing, are less likely to put in volume at rush because of the variance, so they're going to stick closer to the standard tables? I don't often see rush players who I don't already have 100+ hands on, and it's not like I have that much volume in at rush myself.

3. My reads in rush are much more superficial than when I'm playing standard tables (especially my positional play, since the players in the blinds change from hand to hand). So, it's not actually that I'm getting more bad beats in rush, rather I'm not getting enough value when I'm in marginal spots in rush.

 

[Tygran]

Excuse me while I laugh maniacally in the corner...

...and then do some combination of marvel, cry, and greedily eye the entire stacks of the myriad morons populating the low stakes RUSH PLO tables

winning 215 BB's off somebody from the BB in a limped pot with a hand i wouldn't normally even play is just beautiful

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 818620
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG: $24.59
MP: $13.51
CO: $21.46
BTN: $11.73
SB: $4.18
Hero (BB): $34.85

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with Q ♥ 4 ♥ J ♥ J ♦
2 folds, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.30) 3 ♠ 9 ♣ K ♣ (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.30) T ♥ (3 players)
SB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, CO calls $0.80, SB calls $0.60

River: ($2.70) A ♠ (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, CO raises to $6.45, SB folds, Hero raises to $22.05, CO calls $14.11 all in

Final Pot: $43.82
CO mucks K ♠ 3 ♣ 3 ♥ K ♥
Hero shows Q ♥ 4 ♥ J ♥ J ♦ (a straight, Ace high)
Hero wins $41.82
(Rake: $2.00)

 

[Bovinity]

Yeah, I think the increase in volume is going to highlight variance more than lower volumes. fwiw, I'm not a volume player at PLO - 4 tables is pretty much all I can handle, and I'm much better off 2 tabling.

I don't think it's just volume so much as the nature of rush. People seem inclined to fold everything until they hit something really huge, so you can be sure that the moment you get a caller in a pot against you, it's something big.

 

[slycbnew]

Starting to like rush again. Increasing agg in position, stealing from SB both are paying off.

I was ratholing rush (leaving when I ran my stack up to 200-225bb's) - that was clearly a mistake, playing deepstacked now.

Now if I could just stop running my nut full houses into quads 250+bb's deep...

 

[Marginal]

I have made a decision that I will probably regret soon enough but seeing as I have not played in close to a month and my life is going to get really busy shortly, I have essentially suicided my roll. I left about 500 so I can play comfortably at the micros. However I have over the last 3 months gravitated towards shallow tables so I might just make that my primary game.

But on my return, ftp looks so weird to me. What is with the badges and how to turn them off?

 

[WVHillbilly]

I have made a decision that I will probably regret soon enough but seeing as I have not played in close to a month and my life is going to get really busy shortly, I have essentially suicided my roll. I left about 500 so I can play comfortably at the micros. However I have over the last 3 months gravitated towards shallow tables so I might just make that my primary game.

But on my return, ftp looks so weird to me. What is with the badges and how to turn them off?

There is a setting under Options to turn them off. Don't have the client at work so that's the best I can do to help. The option is there though mercifully.

 

[onemorechance]

I'm making PLO my main game. I have said this so many times before but this time I'm not going back. It's far more interesting and far more fun than NL. I really wanna do it this time. I'm motivated and I have a roll to rebuild. LET'S GOOO

 

[daxter70]

smoking the .2/.5 PLO on BLODOG...so soft, any four cards, min raises preflop..gettin it in with top and bottom...up 9 BIs in about 10 hrs the past 5 days....GRIND ON!!!

dax..........out

 

[slycbnew]

marginal, any sense of standard deviation in shallow vs. 100bb vs. deep?

 

[Marginal]

PLO is so fun when you can get people to do exactly what you want them to do. Like calling a btn raise from the sb with the anticipation that the short bb is going to 3 bet shove and open it back up again where you can now 4 bet correctly.

As to your question Sly, I would assume it is pretty similar to what you see in nl just more deviation but I never really looked into it, so I dont really know.

 

[Marginal]

Brag, winning 1$ a hand today
Beat, only played 40 hands
Variance, Shallow tables do not run often enough for me. Going to have to start mixing limits which I hate.

 

[Marginal]

Was running so well the last week but obv it could never last. Lost a ton today.

 

[Tygran]

So I went looking back through a decent size hand history... I am *not* doing well with top two pair at all... More specifically, top two pair on a non-flush/straight board. Like say holding KJ** on a KJ5 rainbow.

Trying to figure this one out... might be misplaying it.

Just out of curiosity how are you guys doing with it?

Not sure if it's just an oversized amount of bad variance or what... lost a bunch of big pots to sets on these type of boards.

 

[Marginal]

I also get problems with 2 pair, it was not bad at the shallow tables but I understand what you mean. I don't know if it is just that I am overplaying it or if I can't spot sets anymore but I have experienced the same thing. With PLO on those types of boards they coul only have sets/ weaker 2 pair hands and they probably fold out weaker 2 pairs earlier in the hand while a set will almost always stay in. Tell me if this is making any sense

 

[Makwa]

Looser tables top 2 can prevail when chasers brick, tighter tables people are working sets and monster draws. Generally a weaker holding EE but table decides what is working. IMHO

 

[Tygran]

I also get problems with 2 pair, it was not bad at the shallow tables but I understand what you mean. I don't know if it is just that I am overplaying it or if I can't spot sets anymore but I have experienced the same thing. With PLO on those types of boards they coul only have sets/ weaker 2 pair hands and they probably fold out weaker 2 pairs earlier in the hand while a set will almost always stay in. Tell me if this is making any sense

It does.

I keep trying to convince myself it's variance and that there will be enough people with say an OESD or AAxx or just plain old TPTK (it happens) to make it profitable... and for example on a board like let's say QT4 rainbow... sets of queens and tens shouldn't be too likely since I can account for two of each and I always tend to dismiss 44xx more than I probably should at lower stakes.

I dunno... I really am not sure how to play decent top two hands against resistance any more.

 

[Tygran]

It's one of those days where i feel like i'm playing monkey's banging on keyboards... there is absolutely no rhyme or reason for what a startlingly large % are doing at the moment...which is fine if they'd stop hitting miracle rivers....

impossible to read these people cause there isn't any thought in what they do...


//am i tilted right now? oh hell yes...
/// off to go find some kind of emotional outlet away from a table