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or3o1990 · Oct 10, 2015

Good fold?

I wanted to call because of his aggression factor being 67 after 22 hands but he was limping everything he played at 55% of hands so he could have easily had the straight a set or two pair..

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 56.39 BB
BB: 98.5 BB
UTG: 40.79 BB
UTG+1: 266.6 BB
MP: 161.77 BB
MP+1: 180.08 BB
CO: 65.78 BB
Hero (BTN): 125.72 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♠ Q♣

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 6 BB, SB calls 5.5 BB, fold, UTG calls 5 BB, CO calls 5 BB

Flop: (25 BB, 4 players) 3♥ 4♦ J♠
SB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets 13 BB, fold, UTG calls 13 BB, CO calls 13 BB

Turn: (64 BB, 3 players) 5♠
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks

River: (64 BB, 3 players) 7♣
UTG checks, CO raises to 46.78 BB and is all-in, fold, fold

CO wins 61 BB

rhombus · Oct 10, 2015

or3o1990 said:
Good fold?

I wanted to call because of his aggression factor being 67 after 22 hands but he was limping everything he played at 55% of hands so he could have easily had the straight a set or two pair..

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 56.39 BB
BB: 98.5 BB
UTG: 40.79 BB
UTG+1: 266.6 BB
MP: 161.77 BB
MP+1: 180.08 BB
CO: 65.78 BB
Hero (BTN): 125.72 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♠ Q♣

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 6 BB, SB calls 5.5 BB, fold, UTG calls 5 BB, CO calls 5 BB

Flop: (25 BB, 4 players) 3♥ 4♦ J♠
SB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets 13 BB, fold, UTG calls 13 BB, CO calls 13 BB

Turn: (64 BB, 3 players) 5♠
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks

River: (64 BB, 3 players) 7♣
UTG checks, CO raises to 46.78 BB and is all-in, fold, fold

CO wins 61 BB

Once you raise and UTG calls CO getting good odds to call so will have a wide range inccluding 66 A6s etc and two pair combos.

Surprised when you didnt bet the turn when flush draw and straight draw appeared with the 5s although you dont want to get blown away with a checkraise.

Not sure if check or bet is optimal

Figaroo2 · Oct 11, 2015

I'm betting bigger on the flop probably 20bb if they call that amount on that board you are probably up against a set 56 or Jx. When you bet small it's an invitation for gutshots and pairs with back doors to hang in there.
Because you bet small on the flop I think you have to fire the turn as well to properly charge any draws. If the villain had 56 he's just made a pair and still wants to see another card. That's why betting again should be considered.
If you had fired bigger on the flop and get called you are likely up against a stronger range and then I might be considering pot control on the turn.
On the end it stinks of a value bet, I can't see anything but a 6 shoving on the end so it's probably right to let it go. Stinky fish.

Figaroo2 · Oct 11, 2015

struggling here on the river

poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $25 (100 bb)
BB: $34.94 (139.8 bb)
MP1: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
MP2: $29.33 (117.3 bb)
Hero (MP3): $25 (100 bb)
CO: $20.37 (81.5 bb)
BTN: $31.38 (125.5 bb) 16/13/126 in 295 hands 10% 3 bet from BTN

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K:club: A:club:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO folds, BTN raises to $2.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50
With him being quite a liberal 3 bettor from the btn I decide to flat to keep in his dominated hands (is this the right thinking as we are strong, ie 4 bet our lesser hands or premium pairs but flat hands like this, or is AKs too strong and should I 4 bet for value?)

Flop: ($4.85) 8:heart: K:diamond: 7:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.31, Hero calls $2.31

Turn: ($9.47) 4:club: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
I accept I should have probably bet here.

River: ($9.47) 9:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $4.52, BTN raises to $11.75, Hero?
I couldn't work this raise out here, any comments anyone? I did call btw.

or3o1990 · Oct 11, 2015

I couldn't work this raise out here, any comments anyone? I did call btw.

Seems like J10s or maybe a rivered two pair maybe?

I see what you mean about keeping in his weaker hands by not 4betting but I would be more inclined to do so because you're oop. I like keeping it simple here especially if he's usually aggressive post flop.

What would your plan have been if he check raised you on the turn?

Figaroo2 · Oct 12, 2015

Sorry his aggression % was only 26 which is quite low. That's why it should be a fold on the end.
Maybe I should be raising the flop as well here. Basically a lack of aggressive play by me let him get there on the end when I had at least 3 opportunities to raise or bet which would likely have taken the hand down. All I seemed to be thinking was pot control.
I've got to get away from that mentality against passive types. I have several recent examples where villains have been hitting gin on the river when I could be raising earlier in the hand and taking it down.

Aces2w1n · Oct 12, 2015

rhombus said:
$2nl is such a frustrating game. Are the red and blue lines the wrong way round lol.

Im rolled for $25 NL but wanted to grind out each level.

$EV dif does say $22.33 so maybe running bad as well

I know i'm jumping in here. But learn to quit a session on a high rather then wait for you to be in the red?

rhombus · Oct 12, 2015

Aces2w1n said:
I know i'm jumping in here. But learn to quit a session on a high rather then wait for you to be in the red?

Jump in whenever you want all comments are welcome

Always difficult to quit on a high cos you never know whats round the corner

The sessions I have been playing are fixed time so the bad parts can appear at the start midle or end unless I start to run really bad then I'll quit at that point

John A · Oct 12, 2015

rhombus said:
Thanks for the input guys. Since i posted the 1st 11K hand stats, I took onboard the comments and either reduced calling down by folding a few hands earlier and check raising a few times.
As you can see in the comparisons
WTSD% has come down 29.9 to 26.3
W$SD% has gone up 47.0 to 48.0
Agg gone up from 2.14 to 3.07
Agg% increased 39.2 to 42.9

VPIP/PFR and 3BET also went up slightly not sure if good or buy but only approx 5K hands.

One observation/question on total hands and the graph $EV Diff is $22.33 but on the graph the Allin EV is about $17. I thought these were the same

i.e. If you went all in it calcualtes what you waould have won based on your equity/EV at the time

Well, your numbers look better. Maybe 3-bet is too high. But you're just not winning at showdown still. Small sample, but I'd keep making this kind of adjustment a little while longer and keep posting spots where you're making those adjustments, but not sure if it was the best play. Anything that's questionable. You can just flip on a switch and make it happen, but I think you're moving in the correction direction.

John A · Oct 12, 2015

or3o1990 said:
Good fold?

I wanted to call because of his aggression factor being 67 after 22 hands but he was limping everything he played at 55% of hands so he could have easily had the straight a set or two pair..

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 56.39 BB
BB: 98.5 BB
UTG: 40.79 BB
UTG+1: 266.6 BB
MP: 161.77 BB
MP+1: 180.08 BB
CO: 65.78 BB
Hero (BTN): 125.72 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♠ Q♣

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 6 BB, SB calls 5.5 BB, fold, UTG calls 5 BB, CO calls 5 BB

Flop: (25 BB, 4 players) 3♥ 4♦ J♠
SB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets 13 BB, fold, UTG calls 13 BB, CO calls 13 BB

Turn: (64 BB, 3 players) 5♠
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks

River: (64 BB, 3 players) 7♣
UTG checks, CO raises to 46.78 BB and is all-in, fold, fold

CO wins 61 BB

No. You're against 2 short stackers who limped pre. Why aren't you shoving the turn?

John A · Oct 12, 2015

Fyi... tomorrow sweat session I'm going to play and you guys can watch for a bit, unless you'd prefer to do something else. I have my new system setup done so I'm good to go.

rhombus · Oct 12, 2015

John A said:
Well, your numbers look better. Maybe 3-bet is too high. But you're just not winning at showdown still. Small sample, but I'd keep making this kind of adjustment a little while longer and keep posting spots where you're making those adjustments, but not sure if it was the best play. Anything that's questionable. You can just flip on a switch and make it happen, but I think you're moving in the correction direction.

thanks again for the input.
High 3bet cos im a maniac

from BB when late position openers.

I know im capable of moving up but Its become more of a challenge now abit like a video game to get the highest score, hopefully Im not at this level forever lol

Hand earlier I struggled with especially as 150 bb deep. Maybe bet/fold $1 on river or maybe check turn for pot control and or induce bluffs

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $5.22 (261 bb)
BB: $2 (100 bb)
UTG: $2.09 (104.5 bb)
MP: $5.39 (269.5 bb)
CO: $3.14 (157 bb)
BTN: $2.24 (112 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T

T

2 folds, CO raises to $0.06, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.20, BB folds, CO calls $0.14

Flop: ($0.42) 7

9

7

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.26, CO calls $0.26

Turn: ($0.94) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, CO calls $0.60

River: ($2.14) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.08 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: $2.14 pot ($0.07 rake)
Final Board: 7

9

7

5

K

Hero mucked T

T

and lost (-$1.06 net)
CO mucked and won $2.07 ($1.01 net)

rhombus · Oct 12, 2015

just had a look to check and indeed way too high in BB. Also when you said earlier not wining enough at showdown what should these numbers be +50

or3o1990 · Oct 12, 2015

John A said:
No. You're against 2 short stackers who limped pre. Why aren't you shoving the turn?

Shoving never really crossed my mind honestly. The stack sizes are a bit wonky and I failed to adjust properly I suppose. I had paid off a couple four card straights with two pair twice already in the session and by the river I decided to believe my pair wasn't best this time.

Aces2w1n · Oct 12, 2015

rhombus said:
Jump in whenever you want all comments are welcome

Always difficult to quit on a high cos you never know whats round the corner

The sessions I have been playing are fixed time so the bad parts can appear at the start midle or end unless I start to run really bad then I'll quit at that point

Yes but if your finishing within an hour why keep playing that night ... keep playing if you can justify but if u just lose ur hardwork near the end keep a mental note.

Aces2w1n · Oct 12, 2015

TT HAND is a call on the river

Need to bet more on flop 3/4

Aces2w1n · Oct 12, 2015

or3o1990 said:
Shoving never really crossed my mind honestly. The stack sizes are a bit wonky and I failed to adjust properly I suppose. I had paid off a couple four card straights with two pair twice already in the session and by the river I decided to believe my pair wasn't best this time.

Its all about getting in the chips when ur villain still loves his hand

Figaroo2 · Oct 12, 2015

Too thin?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $12.30 (49.2 bb) 19/12/34 in 568 hands marked as a decent half stacker.
BB: $31.56 (126.2 bb)
UTG+1: $25.25 (101 bb)
UTG+2: $36.39 (145.6 bb)
MP1: $19.75 (79 bb)
MP2: $18.92 (75.7 bb)
Hero (MP3): $25.95 (103.8 bb)
CO: $10.53 (42.1 bb)
BTN: $25.77 (103.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J:spade: J:club:
UTG+1 raises to $0.62, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.62, 2 folds, SB calls $0.52, BB folds

Flop: ($2.11) A:heart: J:diamond: 7:diamond: (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1.51, SB calls $1.51, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($5.13) 8:diamond: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, SB calls $2.50

River: ($10.13) T:club: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8

Figaroo2 · Oct 12, 2015

Giving up ok?
Anyone firing two bullets against someone this tight?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $32.92 (131.7 bb)
BB: $28.48 (113.9 bb)
UTG+1: $54.17 (216.7 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $29.80 (119.2 bb)
MP1: $26.01 (104 bb)
MP2: $28.35 (113.4 bb)
MP3: $27.28 (109.1 bb)
CO: $25 (100 bb)
BTN: $25 (100 bb) 13/9/35 in 95 hands. Tight and has a silly 28% button 3bet stat but not that many hands so meh.

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A:heart: K:spade:
UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 4 folds, BTN raises to $2.20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5.75, BTN calls $3.55

Flop: ($11.85) T:heart: T:diamond: 8:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $5.66, BTN calls $5.66

Turn: ($23.17) 9:diamond: (2 players)
Hero?

rhombus · Oct 12, 2015

Figaroo2 said:
Too thin?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $12.30 (49.2 bb) 19/12/34 in 568 hands marked as a decent half stacker.
BB: $31.56 (126.2 bb)
UTG+1: $25.25 (101 bb)
UTG+2: $36.39 (145.6 bb)
MP1: $19.75 (79 bb)
MP2: $18.92 (75.7 bb)
Hero (MP3): $25.95 (103.8 bb)
CO: $10.53 (42.1 bb)
BTN: $25.77 (103.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J♠ J♣
UTG+1 raises to $0.62, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.62, 2 folds, SB calls $0.52, BB folds

Flop: ($2.11) A♥ J♦ 7♦ (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1.51, SB calls $1.51, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($5.13) 8♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, SB calls $2.50

River: ($10.13) T♣ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8

YUP what's he going to call with Raggy suited ace 99 or 66 or CR you with KQ. although he prob had QQ so ignore me

or3o1990 · Oct 12, 2015

Short stacks tilt me...

Here this particular shortie was playing any and every two. The entire table was a limpfest mostly. But we're pretty much just playing pair poker right? Sometimes we're just going to walk into it or what?

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 24.25 BB
SB: 28.15 BB
BB: 23.25 BB
UTG: 122 BB
UTG+1: 102.55 BB
MP: 114 BB
MP+1: 100.4 BB
Hero (MP+2): 101.05 BB
CO: 19.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♠ 9♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) J♦ A♦ T♠
BB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, BTN calls 6 BB, fold

Turn: (21.5 BB, 2 players) 3♥
Hero bets 16 BB, BTN calls 15.25 BB and is all-in

River: (52 BB, 2 players) 4♦

BTN shows K♣ Q♣ (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 43%, Flop 92%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows A♠ 9♠ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 57%, Flop 8%, Turn 0%)
BTN wins 49.4 BB

I really wanted to call this one but whenever he has qj I feel retarded. I tanked for a minute then I opted to go away..

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 108.65 BB
BTN: 211.32 BB
SB: 107.25 BB
BB: 38.66 BB
UTG: 98 BB
UTG+1: 97.19 BB
MP: 56.29 BB
MP+1: 29 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♣ Q♦

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) Q♣ 4♠ J♣
BB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, fold, BB raises to 35.66 BB and is all-in, fold

BB shows J♠ 9♠ (One Pair, Jacks)

BB wins 20.45 BB

or3o1990 · Oct 12, 2015

John A said:
Fyi... tomorrow sweat session I'm going to play and you guys can watch for a bit, unless you'd prefer to do something else. I have my new system setup done so I'm good to go.

Looking forward to the sweat tomorrow! I haven't been able to gain any traction lately so hopefully you can show us how it's done!

I've been meaning to give polished poker a reread for a couple weeks now. Would any of you guys be interested in doing this as a group?

Figaroo2 · Oct 13, 2015

I should be around tonight for the sweat.

A9 if he's playing atc then shrug and get it back a few hands down the line.
KQ if it's the same villain I call because it's such a wet board and we have the Kc blocker to the flush and a queen blocker to top pair.
He could have all sorts of draws and pair draw combos here which we are favourite over.

My volume is very low at the moment mostly reviewing and watching the RWC.

or3o1990 · Oct 13, 2015

The second guy was an unknown. I was like one rotation in so i had no idea what to think of the guy.. i ended up quitting after that because i was titlted haha.

and1tiger · Oct 13, 2015

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