Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

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John A said:
Sure, yw. I hope there's something there that can help. It's not one of the easier topics to discuss in forums. 🙂
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All good, I appreciate that. Yea, most things I want to discuss fall into the category of "not one of the easier topics to discuss in forums."

I get coached and study more than most people work, it's just hard to apply the knowledge for some reason.

Plus with the amount that I put into poker a lot of it goes in and doesn't get absorbed so that could be a problem as well.

Heck, probably over half of the stuff I know... I can't even use..... I catch myself Leveling A LOT... is that a common problem? or one that's easily fixed?
 
John A said:
Same hand as above almost. MW on the flop, call. Turn he's still betting there, you need to be raising.
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55 set hand. I shoved turn and he folded
 
iPoker - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (UTG): 107.5 BB
CO: 193.9 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 36.00, 3Bet Preflop: 37.50, hands: 52)
BTN: 118.2 BB (VPIP: 27.78, PFR: 11.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.06, Hands: 362)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.89, PFR: 18.03, 3Bet Preflop: 6.58, Hands: 241)
BB: 101.6 BB (VPIP: 39.05, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 2.00, Hands: 106)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Qh Qc
Hero raises to 3 BB, CO raises to 10.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 30 BB, CO calls 19.5 BB

Flop : (61.5 BB, 2 players) As 2c Tc
Hero checks, CO bets 61.5 BB, fold

CO wins 56.4 BB


do we call vs this guy? massive aggro fish, squeezed 54o earlier vs BB+BTN & check jam 876 flop vs my set


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and doubled up


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I 4bet bigger to gii easily but a tough spot
 
MemphisGrind said:
All good, I appreciate that. Yea, most things I want to discuss fall into the category of "not one of the easier topics to discuss in forums."

I get coached and study more than most people work, it's just hard to apply the knowledge for some reason.

Plus with the amount that I put into poker a lot of it goes in and doesn't get absorbed so that could be a problem as well.

Heck, probably over half of the stuff I know... I can't even use..... I catch myself Leveling A LOT... is that a common problem? or one that's easily fixed?
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Do You play seriously or proffesionally?
 
seeyouthru said:
Do You play seriously or proffesionally?
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I play seriously. Not professionally. I have a job. I'm a quality technician for an orthopedic company. I do however make on average around 30-40% of what my salary at my company is per year playing 1/3 and 2/5 cash games Live. I have decided to start adding some $150+ buy in tourneys live to my reg. schedule and hopefully will make some deep runs in a few and get to the point where I can pad my roll and have some results to get my name out and help with staking purposes.So that I can stop working for the company and work for myself.

For now though it's constant study, challenges, goals, and saving.
 
iPoker - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.08, PFR: 21.21, 3Bet Preflop: 7.83, Hands: 6,633)
BTN: 59.6 BB (VPIP: 85.71, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 21)
SB: 62.2 BB (VPIP: 35.01, PFR: 18.51, 3Bet Preflop: 2.91, Hands: 3,144)
BB: 71.5 BB (VPIP: 29.08, PFR: 8.61, 3Bet Preflop: 0.76, Hands: 344)
Hero (UTG): 178.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ad Td
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop : (10 BB, 3 players) 8d 3h 5d
SB bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB, BTN calls 5 BB

Turn : (25 BB, 3 players) Ac
SB bets 54.2 BB, Hero calls 54.2 BB, fold

very bad reg. I'm not sure about this call though. his shove is bluffy but at the same time it looks for protection. think the call is a bit too loose
 
Alucard: "Flop : (10 BB, 3 players) 8d 3h 5d
SB bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB, BTN calls 5 BB"

Is there a reason not to raise flop?
 
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Alucard said:
iPoker - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (UTG): 107.5 BB
CO: 193.9 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 36.00, 3Bet Preflop: 37.50, Hands: 52)
BTN: 118.2 BB (VPIP: 27.78, PFR: 11.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.06, Hands: 362)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.89, PFR: 18.03, 3Bet Preflop: 6.58, Hands: 241)
BB: 101.6 BB (VPIP: 39.05, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 2.00, Hands: 106)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Qh Qc
Hero raises to 3 BB, CO raises to 10.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 30 BB, CO calls 19.5 BB

Flop : (61.5 BB, 2 players) As 2c Tc
Hero checks, CO bets 61.5 BB, fold

CO wins 56.4 BB


do we call vs this guy? massive aggro fish, squeezed 54o earlier vs BB+BTN & check jam 876 flop vs my set


and doubled up


I 4bet bigger to gii easily but a tough spot
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Yeah, I think you can flip a coin on this one getting 2:1. It's so read dependent here. Based on what you're saying, it's likely a call, but this is opinion only because you don't completely know his defined range yet. But he could have complete air, Tx, Ax, and draw. If you punch that up, it's a call. So it just completely depends how often you think he jams air and Tx.
 
Alucard said:
iPoker - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.08, PFR: 21.21, 3Bet Preflop: 7.83, Hands: 6,633)
BTN: 59.6 BB (VPIP: 85.71, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 21)
SB: 62.2 BB (VPIP: 35.01, PFR: 18.51, 3Bet Preflop: 2.91, Hands: 3,144)
BB: 71.5 BB (VPIP: 29.08, PFR: 8.61, 3Bet Preflop: 0.76, Hands: 344)
Hero (UTG): 178.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ad Td
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop : (10 BB, 3 players) 8d 3h 5d
SB bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB, BTN calls 5 BB

Turn : (25 BB, 3 players) Ac
SB bets 54.2 BB, Hero calls 54.2 BB, fold

very bad reg. I'm not sure about this call though. his shove is bluffy but at the same time it looks for protection. think the call is a bit too loose
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Looks fine. Nut flush + top pair. I mean Ax isn't in your range. If he's bad, doubt he's thinking second or third level here. If you punch up his range, you're ahead.
 
MemphisGrind said:
I play seriously. Not professionally. I have a job. I'm a quality technician for an orthopedic company. I do however make on average around 30-40% of what my salary at my company is per year playing 1/3 and 2/5 cash games Live. I have decided to start adding some $150+ buy in tourneys live to my reg. schedule and hopefully will make some deep runs in a few and get to the point where I can pad my roll and have some results to get my name out and help with staking purposes.So that I can stop working for the company and work for myself.

For now though it's constant study, challenges, goals, and saving.
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Good approach. Take your time. And this group does have a google study group also. I'd recommend checking it out as well.
 
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 50.2 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 17)
SB: 106.4 BB (VPIP: 9.52, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 66)
BB: 93 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 357.5 BB (VPIP: 32.08, PFR: 22.01, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 162)
MP: 111.5 BB
Hero (CO): 101.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7h Kh
fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop : (5.5 BB, 2 players) Td 2h 5s
BB checks, Hero bets 2.4 BB, BB calls 2.4 BB

Turn : (10.3 BB, 2 players) Qd
BB checks, Hero bets 5.6 BB, BB calls 5.6 BB

River : (21.5 BB, 2 players) 5h
BB checks, Hero bets 30 BB, BB calls 30 BB

Trying to make Tx, lower pps fold. I do this rarely
 
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 226.56 BB
SB: 210.52 BB (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 11)
BB: 103.72 BB (VPIP: 25.35, PFR: 17.61, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 147)
UTG: 107.2 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
CO: 36.52 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 4s 4c
fold, MP raises to 2.48 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.48 BB, fold, BB calls 1.48 BB

Flop : (7.84 BB, 3 players) 4h 8c 6h
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets 5.4 BB, BB calls 5.4 BB, fold

Turn : (18.64 BB, 2 players) Ts
BB checks, Hero bets 12.8 BB, BB calls 12.8 BB

River : (44.24 BB, 2 players) 3s
BB checks, Hero bets 8 BB, BB calls 8 BB

river sizing??
 
Alucard said:
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players


BTN: 50.2 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 17)
SB: 106.4 BB (VPIP: 9.52, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 66)
BB: 93 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 357.5 BB (VPIP: 32.08, PFR: 22.01, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 162)
MP: 111.5 BB
Hero (CO): 101.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7h Kh
fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop : (5.5 BB, 2 players) Td 2h 5s
BB checks, Hero bets 2.4 BB, BB calls 2.4 BB

Turn : (10.3 BB, 2 players) Qd
BB checks, Hero bets 5.6 BB, BB calls 5.6 BB

River : (21.5 BB, 2 players) 5h
BB checks, Hero bets 30 BB, BB calls 30 BB

Trying to make Tx, lower pps fold. I do this rarely
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This seems like a perfect example of why playing OOP sucks!
**I don't know what I'm talking about!** bet sizing seems ok for flop and turn, but do you really expect low stakes rando to be able to get away from a hand? for me a smaller river bet, maybe half to 2/3rds has equal chance of success, for less risk. but honestly, I think that by time you get to the river, you've lost already! c/f
 
This month's PLO graph

Thought I'd share this here - as I am very proud of myself. I am posting another graph of mine - this one, though, is entirely from PLO. I begun learning this game some time ago, but only now (starting late September) decided to play rather seriously. The number of hands is tiny, because I am mostly 2-tabling. However, I am focusing on the quality of my play rather than quantity.

Since the beginning of my study year I have not had too much time to play, so PLO appears to be the game for me now, as the site on which I play does not have too much action on it anyhow.

I hope you enjoy looking at this as much as I do, haha.

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Alucard said:
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 50.2 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 17)
SB: 106.4 BB (VPIP: 9.52, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 66)
BB: 93 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 357.5 BB (VPIP: 32.08, PFR: 22.01, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 162)
MP: 111.5 BB
Hero (CO): 101.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7h Kh
fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop : (5.5 BB, 2 players) Td 2h 5s
BB checks, Hero bets 2.4 BB, BB calls 2.4 BB

Turn : (10.3 BB, 2 players) Qd
BB checks, Hero bets 5.6 BB, BB calls 5.6 BB

River : (21.5 BB, 2 players) 5h
BB checks, Hero bets 30 BB, BB calls 30 BB

Trying to make Tx, lower pps fold. I do this rarely
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W/o history, you have a pretty narrow range of hands that bets the turn and then pounds the river. You're looking at TT/QQ/22. So it's not the best spot really. I'm glad you're trying it, but the best spots are when you know your opponents range is super weak, and the board keeps getting scarier.
 
Ian the Fish said:
Thought I'd share this here - as I am very proud of myself. I am posting another graph of mine - this one, though, is entirely from PLO. I begun learning this game some time ago, but only now (starting late September) decided to play rather seriously. The number of hands is tiny, because I am mostly 2-tabling. However, I am focusing on the quality of my play rather than quantity.

Since the beginning of my study year I have not had too much time to play, so PLO appears to be the game for me now, as the site on which I play does not have too much action on it anyhow.

I hope you enjoy looking at this as much as I do, haha.

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Congrats! You'll have to help me w/ my PLO game now. 🙂
 
iPoker - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 30.30, PFR: 15.15, 3Bet Preflop: 2.04, Hands: 167)
CO: 73.5 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 15)
BTN: 234.5 BB (VPIP: 30.74, PFR: 19.93, 3Bet Preflop: 10.64, Hands: 306)
SB: 147.1 BB (VPIP: 58.62, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.95, PFR: 18.91, 3Bet Preflop: 6.56, Hands: 1,091)
Hero (UTG): 178.9 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Kh Kd
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 12.5 BB, Hero raises to 26 BB, fold, BB calls 13.5 BB

Flop : (55.5 BB, 2 players) 7s 8d 2d
BB checks, Hero bets 22.2 BB, BB calls 22.2 BB

Turn : (99.9 BB, 2 players) Qh
BB checks, Hero bets 130.7 BB, BB calls 51.8 BB

V is really tight at times. I don't think he'd squeeze Ts pre here. Specially vs me. Jacks is also meh. nevertheless can't do much on turn than shove right?
 
iPoker - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

SB: 180.2 BB (VPIP: 36.95, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 8.06, Hands: 205)
Hero (BB): 136.2 BB
CO: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 22.63, PFR: 18.38, 3Bet Preflop: 10.17, Hands: 505)
BTN: 218.7 BB (VPIP: 31.53, PFR: 20.42, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 345)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8h 9s
fold, fold, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop : (4 BB, 2 players) Qh 9c Kc
SB bets 2.8 BB, Hero calls 2.8 BB

Turn : (9.6 BB, 2 players) 8s
SB bets 8 BB, Hero raises to 23 BB, SB calls 15 BB

River : (55.6 BB, 2 players) 9d
SB bets 49 BB, Hero raises to 108.4 BB, SB calls 59.4 BB

vs a reg who doesn't like to fold preflop.
pre &flop seems fine I think, I''ve started to defend loose from BB & see more flop than 3betting a lot.
on turn we can go for bluff catching vs AK,AA,Kx but I felt like I was ahead & wanted to charge draws. On river I think it should be a call. Vs a weak player we can shove but vs a reg I think it's a call
 
iPoker - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

SB: 83.65 BB (VPIP: 54.55, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 35.38, PFR: 3.08, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 67)
UTG: 29.85 BB (VPIP: 31.52, PFR: 17.49, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 190)
Hero (CO): 114.75 BB
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.49, PFR: 16.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ts Js
fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BTN raises to 8 BB, fold, BB calls 7 BB, Hero calls 5.5 BB

Flop : (24.5 BB, 3 players) Ad 9d Qh
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 17.15 BB, fold, fold

BTN wins 22.9 BB


with the price he's giving us it's a fold right?
 
John's Opinion Please, river, to bluff or not?

Originally Posted by Figaroo2
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $11.31 (113.1 bb)VPIP: 69, PFR: 31, 3B: 22, AF: 2.5, Hands: 16
UTG: $17.76 (177.6 bb)
MP: $19.35 (193.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $13.10 (131 bb)
BTN: $10.37 (103.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5
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A
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2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.80, Hero raises to $2.15, BB calls $1.35

Flop: ($4.35) 4
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Q
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Q
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.35) 8
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.08, BB calls $2.08

River: ($8.51) 5
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero?

Unsure whether to Cbet flop, I think he calls with everything on that board so decided to check flop, easy turn bet with the extra equity but I'm still not sure whether to fire river here against a loose player like this. I think my hand just looks too much like AK and he's going to call with any pair.
 
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iPoker - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (UTG): 139.8 BB
CO: 138.7 BB (VPIP: 23.87, PFR: 17.57, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, Hands: 226)
BTN: 34.4 BB (VPIP: 26.47, PFR: 13.75, 3Bet Preflop: 1.83, Hands: 526)
SB: 46.9 BB (VPIP: 85.33, PFR: 58.67, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 76)
BB: 113.65 BB (VPIP: 65.96, PFR: 15.96, 3Bet Preflop: 11.48, Hands: 96)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8h 8c
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop : (9 BB, 3 players) 4h 8s 6c
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, SB calls 6 BB, BB calls 6 BB

Turn : (27 BB, 3 players) Qd
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 18.9 BB, SB calls 18.9 BB, BB calls 18.9 BB

River : (83.7 BB, 3 players) 7h
SB checks, BB checks,

Do we thin V bet here? Both are fish. BB seemed a bit on tight side. SB is very spewy. Both look like chesing gutshots or calling down a pair

Sorry for the hand overhaul but so many spots I need to get cleared.
I'm goona post hands on spoiler tags from now on
 
iPoker - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 249.45 BB (VPIP: 25.60, PFR: 22.71, 3Bet Preflop: 10.61, Hands: 214)
SB: 101.35 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 17.73, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 207)
Hero (BB): 185.25 BB
CO: 38.7 BB (VPIP: 26.72, PFR: 14.23, 3Bet Preflop: 1.96, Hands: 495)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5s 5c
fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop : (4.5 BB, 2 players) 3s As Ad
Hero checks, BTN bets 3.15 BB, Hero raises to 12.3 BB, BTN raises to 21.45 BB, fold

BTN wins 27.2 BB

very aggro reg, 5bet jammed 7s SB 3way previously vs my 4bet bluff A5s. I was thinking he would bet this large with trips on flop. We can't call down profitably as well I think vs his aggression
 
New member here. Trying to up my game. Playing in the US means live games only pretty much. I'm currently reading a book on poker math . I'd really be interested in joining in these conversations. It'd be great to have someone to talk to who actually knew something. I'm just bluffing my way through. Any way Hi
 
JoeKampman said:
New member here. Trying to up my game. Playing in the US means live games only pretty much. I'm currently reading a book on poker math . I'd really be interested in joining in these conversations. It'd be great to have someone to talk to who actually knew something. I'm just bluffing my way through. Any way Hi
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Welcome Joe.
At the start of this thread you should find a link to a free cash games book written by John Anhalt.
This thread is primarily for asking questions and posting hands relating to material in the book. John's advice is always sound.
 
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