*****Vinyl's GonnaCrushDAmicros 6max thread******

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Ok first off let me say sorry for causing any offence.

Secondly I have been following your thread with interest to see if you can beat the levels and build a roll. I was under the impression you didnt have a big roll.
If you can then enter 2 ftops for about 800 it seems odd. Vin if you were backed and it didnt cost you then great. If you can afford it then great. If you want to take the odd shot then great. I like everyone else wish you the best of luck..
If you have a limited roll (like me) then the thought of spending the hard fought for bankroll on a single Mtt like Ftops against the very best is just plain crazy.All depends on your goals I suppose. I got sore Sunday losing a10$ satty ticket that PartyPoker ripped off me.
 
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Figaroo2 said:
Ok first off let me say sorry for causing any offence.

Secondly I have been following your thread with interest to see if you can beat the levels and build a roll. I was under the impression you didnt have a big roll.
If you can then enter 2 ftops for about 800 it seems odd. Vin if you were backed and it didnt cost you then great. If you can afford it then great. If you want to take the odd shot then great. I like everyone else wish you the best of luck..
If you have a limited roll (like me) then the thought of spending the hard fought for bankroll on a single Mtt like Ftops against the very best is just plain crazy.All depends on your goals I suppose. I got sore Sunday losing a10$ satty ticket that PartyPoker ripped off me.
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i know fig. and you really have been a very valued and appreciated poster.

I get what you mean now yea. Yea i can afford to play higher limits if i wanted to. Before cardchat ,there were periods of time when I would be depositing like 2-300$ every single day!! and play only 25NL-50NL ,thinking i was the best but losing every single day.😱 ( total donk who watches too much TV and thinks hes ivey,,,you know what i mean)


Had no idea what BRM was. then i signed up here, met all you nice people and learned what i should be doing and realized that it was the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what i was doing.

Thats when i decided that i have to learn how to play the game instead of just deposit all the time and lose. Thats why i have made my micro 6max threads.

The goal is to learn and improve, which without a doubt, i most certainly have. But if i really wanted to, i could buy myself into 25NL fully rolled. I just know im gonna lose it if i dont work my way back up there.


As far as the FTOPS event. The 635$ was around 500 euros out of which i put down 250 and a friend of mine but down 250 so i did sell half of the action cause 600$ is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY to much money to be buying into tourneys with for someone like me.
Thing is, it was such a special tournament that i felt it was worth it. Prizes are similar to the Sunday million but field was 1/3 so i felt like my chances were kinda better.


Anyways. To make a long story short, im grinding the micros to get better FIG's and your opinion is always appreciated. Thanks alot for clarifying. and thanks for posting.
 
duggs said:
Assume he means the Greek govt rather than individuals by the 'Greeks', which tbf is kinda broke. I dunno how sensitive people are to jokes about it tho
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people are sensitive to it. But not me. I just didnt get the point of it thats all. and hell yea, shit here is FUBAR.
 
Yea I mean you probably have worse odds than the Sunday million just cause the field is way tougher, but at the same time it's impossible to have a -100% roi, so even if you had a -50% roi, which isn't meant as a insult but more field toughness and your lack of tourney focus you only drop 125 euro for some fun so whatever
 
I can only imagine the caliber of the average player in a $600 PS tournament. Must be insanity.
 
Also be some big nits and satty winners, but yea certainly won't be uber soft or anythinh
 
yo, i got a solid winrate at 5NL. they got nothing on me. holla.


jokes aside. how much of an edge can a nosebleed player have on me? like really? especially in a tourney? I mean like sure in a cash game i would prolly get slaughtered but tourney play is different so skill dont mean that much since most of the players are doing the same thing at the end of the day. right? i kind of felt like i had an edge over them since im a cash player and they are tourney players.😱😛


shoving 5 bigs. not reraising if the M is too small etc etc.
 
I think you're under-estimating how many mistakes you're gonna make at various stages of the tourney. Especially preflop, most cash (100bb) players are going to struggle at like 30bb and below, and postflop at like 40bb and below (imo). And tbf, in a $600 tourney, a lot of players are going to be extremely proficient postflop even with 100bb+ stacks, so I wouldn't count on having an edge just because they're "tourney players."
 
Most cash players call way too tight and shove way too wide in mtts, and although you're right the edges in push/fold spots are still small early even having a few % advantage can add up when the shoves are for like 20 buy-ins in chips as the mtt progresses deeper and deeper.
 
Not to mention your roi is hugely dependent on how well you play when you go deep meaning if you freeze up or have a tendency to spew its murders your roi.
Id be very surprised if any winning low or mid stakes tourney grinder couldn't beat 5nl easily, not too mention you are playin their specialised format. Edges are smaller in tourneys relative to cash, but that doesn't make them insignificant.
 
Scourrge said:
I think you're under-estimating how many mistakes you're gonna make at various stages of the tourney. Especially preflop, most cash (100bb) players are going to struggle at like 30bb and below, and postflop at like 40bb and below (imo). And tbf, in a $600 tourney, a lot of players are going to be extremely proficient postflop even with 100bb+ stacks, so I wouldn't count on having an edge just because they're "tourney players."
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^^this is a pretty good point. I find myself not knowing exactly what is the "correct" move when im this short so i tend to either overplay things due to being short ORRR fold too much cause i might think im deeper than i actually am.

hackmeplz said:
Most cash players call way too tight and shove way too wide in mtts, and although you're right the edges in push/fold spots are still small early even having a few % advantage can add up when the shoves are for like 20 buy-ins in chips as the mtt progresses deeper and deeper.
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good point
 
duggs said:
Not to mention your roi is hugely dependent on how well you play when you go deep meaning if you freeze up or have a tendency to spew its murders your roi.
Id be very surprised if any winning low or mid stakes tourney grinder couldn't beat 5nl easily, not too mention you are playin their specialised format. Edges are smaller in tourneys relative to cash, but that doesn't make them insignificant.
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yep yep, i hear ya duggs.

Anyways, gonna be outta town till Monday for Easter holiday. Coming tuesday when im back, im getting back to the 10NL grind and will be updating daily with graphs and stuff. really looking forward to it since i haven't played any cash for more than 1 month. hip hip.
 
Viny stop procrastinating and get back in there. And stop this tourney talk, face up and study more cash.

Tourneys a lazy and dreamy way to make it, but in reality ppl who come from tourneys win big end up losing at the cash tables because they think they can make it now. So be the person grinding their money away rather than losing it later down the track.

Cash grinding as a solid base. And tourneys as a bonus to break the grind every so often but don't overdo cuz you'll need ur winnings for the downswings. Find that 1 level ur good at and stick to it and watch ur br grow... Like I said in my thread theres no time limit just a marathon and only you can lose it.
 
Thnks aces. Will do man. Dont agree about the tourney players being lazy though.
 
I think it is really important to hone your skills across cash including heads up, Mtt and sng. I play a lot across the spectrum. Mastering one table sng and learning to play short handed means when i do get to a final table i often have quite an edge. Grinding cash games alone is just a little dull for my tastes.
 
Yes grinding to a loss is dull but when your watching the green line upwards it's always exciting 🙂

Meh make friends with the bad players and hope they hook up on your table to chat.

I do think though playing tourneys on the side is ok but not for people learning. I think if you are a decent cash player who won't be effected by diff format of the game it's not bad.

In theory if your normally a winning player and hit a downswing but win ok at the tourneys could really keep things alive but that isn't realistic you'll win when your winning and lose more when ur losing I believe 🙂 but luck may come alive.
 
Aces2w1n said:
Viny stop procrastinating and get back in there. And stop this tourney talk, face up and study more cash.

Tourneys a lazy and dreamy way to make it, but in reality ppl who come from tourneys win big end up losing at the cash tables because they think they can make it now. So be the person grinding their money away rather than losing it later down the track.

Cash grinding as a solid base. And tourneys as a bonus to break the grind every so often but don't overdo cuz you'll need ur winnings for the downswings. Find that 1 level ur good at and stick to it and watch ur br grow... Like I said in my thread theres no time limit just a marathon and only you can lose it.
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tournaments require a simpler skill set its true, however the time commitment to grind them properly is much larger so i wouldn't describe them as 'lazy'.

more over i have some friends how are professional mtt grinders and i doubt any of them would be losers at cash long term
 
LOL duggs you don't get my point.

People have in their mind winning a lump sum makes them a good player and the whole point of having 1 big win feels easier. Which makes me say they are lazy.

I'm not saying it's not easy and I know it takes a long time to play tournies and bigger commitment hence why I went cash. But often players will go into tourneys with the wrong mindset and it's the ones who convert from tourneys to cash with 1 big win.
 
I get the idea Aces is pointing at re some players just hoping for that big score in tournies, but think the really good players are not looking at it so much that way.

Personally, with playing and enjoying cash I kinda dread just the idea of playing tournies, lol. But they can be fun / lucrative so keeping my hat in the tournie ring so to speak seems like a good idea.
 
THREAD UPDATE:


YO, So ive been off the cash grind for more than a month now. Miss playing rush poker and am getting back to it starting now.

Going to be playing 10NL. Got like 100$ online right now but thats just my online BR so if shit gets ugly i'll add more ammunition.

Going straight back to 10NL to see if i can get something going. Lets see how things work out this time.


will be posting graphs for month after i get a lil volume in.



So heres to the first hand ive posted after a while.

TAKE A LOOK: villain is a solid reg(kinda nitty) over a 1.8k sample.

stats: 15/12/2.8 with a 5.5 3bet



Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

MP ($14)
CO ($13.85)
Hero (Button) ($10.05)
SB ($13.90)
BB ($4.60)
UTG ($22.64)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7
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, 7
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UTG raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 9
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, J
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, 2
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(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.45, UTG raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.45

Turn: ($2.55) J
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(2 players)
UTG bets $1.27, Hero calls $1.27 ( at this point i deicide to rep the J IP and see how things play on the river)

River: ($5.09) 9
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(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.40 we need him to be folding overpairs which i think he might be playing this way so i decide to give him a reasonable price to make it look like pure value. Problem with play here is that he might see it as a broken FD ,hence the smaller sizing to look like a made hand. we like it? (im really not putting him on a J once it pairs on turn)
 
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looking over it again, i feel like its spew. this cant be the winning formula at 10NL. Maybe i should just stick to solid hands and avoid the magic?
 
like seriously, nit utg and those stats and that flop line, just snap fold.
 
yea like we require him to fold over pairs AND the board to double pair for this ever to work, there are so many better bluffing candidates in our range so why do this with 77?
 
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