*****Vinyl's GonnaCrushDAmicros 6max thread******

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duggs said:
yea like we require him to fold over pairs AND the board to double pair for this ever to work, there are so many better bluffing candidates in our range so why do this with 77?
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cause on the river where my hand is now beat when there are two overpairs, i feel like i "HAVE" to bet in order to win it + the fact that my line makes sense.(repping the jack).


im not crazy about it, but i felt like i was obliged to bet this river. or else id be giving up on the pot.

generally though, these spots are -EV in the long run though i guess. only took this line cause he was a reg. so i assumed hed put the pieces together and fold.
 
10NL regs will never fold there unless you shove, and even then it is "maybe". Which is great when you have a hand 😀
 
another hand i just played. Not the most important pot but interesting flop spot. villain unknown

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

SB ($9.34)
BB ($3.90)
UTG ($11.39)
Hero (MP) ($11.78)
CO ($17.14)
Button ($4.14)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A
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, Q
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1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 10
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, 9
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, Q
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(2 players)
SB bets $0.70, Hero raises to $2.05



Reason i raise here is to see if hes on a draw or has a made hand. Like if he has Jx or something i can see him potting it. Or even KQ. but i dont want to be flatting and have to face more huge barrels on later streets. Im probably folding if he jams on this flop but i want to take back initiative since im in position. thoughts on flop play? do we flat here? or raise?
 
LD1977 said:
10NL regs will never fold there unless you shove, and even then it is "maybe". Which is great when you have a hand 😀
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think about it. am i ever shoving a jack on this runnout? if anything shoving this river would look wayyy weaker than value betting IMO.
 
From my experience 10NL regs are massive calling stations. They look at sizing and say "meh maybe he is bluffing". How convincing the line is makes zero difference.
 
duggs said:
flatting, folding a tonne of turns
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which is why i raised. flatting why though? for pot control? when we flop TPTK on a wet board and someone donks, i thought its better to raise since were IP, in order to see how he reacts and protect from draws. cause if he has a set or 2pair,i dont know how often he will lead here. im thinking if his hand is that good why not just checkraise?
 
LD1977 said:
From my experience 10NL regs are massive calling stations. They look at sizing and say "meh maybe he is bluffing". How convincing the line is makes zero difference.
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^im going to have to respectfully disagree with the bolded part. our line and runnout are very important factors to whether they will fold or call. how can lines not make any difference?
 
Well they don't to me, I get hero called quite often. In 10NL FR Zoom which is theoretically tighter and with better players than other 10NL game types.
 
Gross spot on river. don't like my turn call but river is definitely a fold right? also hate my flop sizing .

villains stats : 15/10/2.7

Im putting villain on 56. and sets but 56 most likely cause he just over-calls BB where i think PP might be 3betting pre. and this guy has a 3bet of 6.5 whcih leads me to believe that he is the type that 3bets all PP when its BvB.


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

SB ($35.06)
BB ($11.41)
UTG ($28.53)
MP ($7.34)
CO ($8.66)
Hero (Button) ($13.46)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A
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, A
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3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) 7
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, K
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, 8
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(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.45, SB calls $0.45, BB calls $0.45

Turn: ($2.25) 4
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(3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80, SB calls $1.80

River: ($7.65) 3
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(3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $5, Hero folds, 1 fold

Total pot: $7.65 | Rake: $0.38

Results below:
BB didn't show
Outcome: BB won $7.27


hope he didnt have AK, but its almost impossible to put him on AK especially cause he doesnt 3bet pre and i dont think AK is ever betting 5$ into 2 villains on a river value bet.
 
77 hand, I could be wrong, since I'm playing live more, but seems like that min-raise flop sizing is almost always TP... So he makes trips OTT a ton, no?
 
Scourrge said:
77 hand, I could be wrong, since I'm playing live more, but seems like that min-raise flop sizing is almost always TP... So he makes trips OTT a ton, no?
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Not really, i min-raise with sets too for example because a ton of players snap fold 2.5x/3x raises but for some reason mostly call when is only 2x like if i´m FS and even gii thereself some times.
so it works to get more value when they fold to bigger amount and to induce .

Oh i forgot, WELCOME BACK VINY!!
 
/Logan/ said:
Not really, i min-raise with sets too for example because a ton of players snap fold 2.5x/3x raises but for some reason mostly call when is only 2x like if i´m FS and even gii thereself some times.
so it works to get more value when they fold to bigger amount and to induce .

Oh i forgot, WELCOME BACK VINY!!
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I think min raising is a pretty terrible strategy fwiw
 
Scourrge said:
77 hand, I could be wrong, since I'm playing live more, but seems like that min-raise flop sizing is almost always TP... So he makes trips OTT a ton, no?
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Highly unlikely that he has TP here. firstly because he misses his cbet. who opens aj from utg ,hits tptk on this flop and check minraises? its almost impossible.

Im putting him either on an overpair here or a poorly played AK,AQof spades. maybe alittle bit of tens. AA,KK,QQ also likely.
 
/Logan/ said:
Not really, i min-raise with sets too for example because a ton of players snap fold 2.5x/3x raises but for some reason mostly call when is only 2x like if i´m FS and even gii thereself some times.
so it works to get more value when they fold to bigger amount and to induce .

Oh i forgot, WELCOME BACK VINY!!
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thnks logan. i missed you guys!😀 Im gonna crush this time to make it interesting.:ridinghor
 
duggs said:
I think min raising is a pretty terrible strategy fwiw
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Elaborate please.

Agree pre but not clear postflop, we can lose value if villain could call a bigger raise amount, but if villain fold to a bigger raise but not to amin-raise then not see why is terrible.

Not talking about wet boards where we think villain is on draw but dry where villain could have TPWK at most or 2nd pair.or when we got the hard nuts and they lead half pot on flop, by min-raising is like we are poting each street and don´t look so strong like a 3x+ raise
 
Good luck with the new grind Vin

Preflop: Hero is Button with A
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, A
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3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) 7
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, K
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, 8
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(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.45, SB calls $0.45, BB calls $0.45

I would bet full pot here on the flop, if you bet half pot with two in there then as soon as one calls the other is getting the right odds to call as well, so you need to make it bigger. Plus we are only behind now to sets and chances are we are getting good value out of Kx and charging the draws appropriately.
 
I mean if you really think he takes that line with QQ I don't see why it's so impossible for him to do it with AJ, given they are effectively the same hand aside from blockers. Like hand equivalency makes them nearly the same.
 
Scourrge said:
I mean if you really think he takes that line with QQ I don't see why it's so impossible for him to do it with AJ, given they are effectively the same hand aside from blockers. Like hand equivalency makes them nearly the same.
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No no, i get your point. and i agree. the thing is that both of these hands are c-betting this flop the majority if the time and not check-minraising it. the sizing is way off and leads me to believe that he might not be too sure about his hand. Esp when he checks river, im basically forced to bet cause 7 high is no longer ahead(if it ever even was). And also I could get him to fold better some of the time.

as played do you not bet this river?
 
May so far( todays hands).

There is nothing more boring than looking at a +8$ graph but thats all i got today.LOL

Volume is nonexistent as i didnt have too much time but for the sake of posting graphs, ill post what i got.

Enjoy .

ScreenHunter 222 May 06 0236


ScreenHunter 223 May 06 0237
 
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

SB ($11.37)
BB ($10)
Hero (UTG) ($10.57)
MP ($4)
CO ($11.74)
Button ($7.97)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K
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, A
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Hero raises to $0.20, MP calls $0.20, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.55) 7
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, 5
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, J
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(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.27, Hero calls $0.27

Turn: ($1.09) 3
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(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.54, Hero calls $0.54

River: ($2.17) J
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(2 players)
Hero bets $3.75, 1 fold when the jack pairs on river, i no longer think its likely for him to have it so i just decide to rep it. spew? hes a shorty though so i just put him all in.

Total pot: $2.17 | Rake: $0.10

Results below:
Hero didn't show K
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, A
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(one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $2.07
 
Why would a jack overbet shove the river here? it's bad to assume he doesn't have a jack just because the board paired. He has jacks in his range. Shove looks spewy to me. Just check fold.

You probably have an edge on the fish.... Just find a better spot to take his monies
 
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