What's the right bankrol for$1/2 no limit?

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A solid rule :
• Recreational player: 20–30 buy-ins
• Serious grinder: 40–50+ buy-ins
If the max buy-in is $200, that means:
$4k–$6k to play comfortably
$8k–$10k+ if poker is a serious income source
Variance is real. Even great players can go on brutal downswings. bankroll management keeps you in the game long enough for skill
to matter.
 
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anasslaaleg said:
Čvrsto pravilo:
• Rekreativni igrač: 20–30 ulaznica
• Ozbiljni grinder: 40–50+ buy-inova
Ako je maksimalni buy-in 200 USD, to znači:
4000–6000 dolara za udobno igranje
8 000 – 10 000+ dolara ako je poker ozbiljan izvor prihoda
Varijanca je stvarna. Čak i veliki igrači mogu imati brutalne padove. Upravljanje bankrollom vas drži u igri dovoljno dugo da razvijete vještinu.
biti važan.
I think Daniel's right. The correct answer is 1.2 billion 🤣🤣
 
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I think, his point is, that the question makes little sense, and I tend to agree with that. The main reason is, that to even have a bankroll, you need to be a winning player. And most people asking about the required backroll for the lowest possible stakes, do not have any track record to prove, they are long term winners.

You are (hopefully) not going to quit your regular job to play $1/$2 live games, so it does not really matter that much, if you "go broke" and have to take some time off from poker. And even if you play 20 hours per week, it still takes a full year to play just 30.000 hands in live poker. Which mean, you wont even know, if you are a long term winner, until you have played at least a full year and perhaps even 2-3, if your winrate is marginal.

So it makes much more sense to ask, how large your savings should be, before you consider playing live poker. And I think, we can probably all agree, that if your total savings are only like $1.000, then you should probably just leave that money in your account rather than take it to a casino to play poker, where you could easily end up losing it all in a bad session or two.

But if you savings are $5.000, then maybe its ok to take $1.000 from that savings to a casino and play some live poker. Which still does not mean, that your $5.000 is a "poker bankroll", because you dont know, if you are a long term winner or not. Only when you have that track record and is considering to move up to higher stakes like $2/$5, does it make sense to think or talk about a dedicated poker bankroll.

Its the same thing with online poker, where people sometimes ask, how large a bankroll they need to play 2NL. And the question is kind of silly, because if you can not afford to pop another $20 or $50 into your account after some losing sessions, then you should definitely try to fix your financial problems rather than spend time on playing poker.

So online as well as live it makes a lot more sense to ask, when you should attempt to move up, and how much bankroll you need for that. Which would be something like at least $100-150 to attempt to move up to 5NL online and at least $10k-15k to attempt to move up to $2/$5 live cash games. And of course being reasonably confident, you can beat the new higher limit, or at least want to give it a try.
 
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fundiver199 said:
Mislim da je njegova poanta da pitanje nema puno smisla, i slažem se s tim. Glavni razlog je taj što, da biste uopće imali bankroll, morate biti igrač koji pobjeđuje. Većina ljudi koji pitaju o potrebnom bankrollu za najniže moguće uloge nemaju nikakvu povijest koja bi to dokazala, oni su dugoročni pobjednici.

(Nadamo se) da nećete dati otkaz na svom redovnom poslu da biste igrali igre uživo s zaradom od 1/2 dolara, tako da zapravo nije toliko važno ako "bankrotirate" i morate uzeti pauzu od pokera. Čak i ako igrate 20 sati tjedno, i dalje vam je potrebna cijela godina da odigrate samo 30 000 ruku u pokeru uživo. Što znači da nećete ni znati jeste li dugoročni pobjednik dok ne odigrate barem cijelu godinu, a možda čak i 2-3, je li vam stopa pobjeda marginalna.

Stoga je puno logičnije pitati se kolika bi trebala biti vaša ušteđevina prije nego što razmislite o igranju pokera uživo. Mislim, vjerojatno se svi možemo složiti, da ako je vaša ukupna ušteđevina samo oko 1000 dolara, onda biste vjerojatno trebali ostaviti taj novac na računu umjesto da ga nosite u kasino igrati poker, gdje biste lako mogli sve izgubiti u jednoj ili dvije loše sesije.

Ali ako vam je ušteđevina 5000 dolara, onda je možda u redu ponijeti 1000 dolara s te ušteđevine u kasino i igrati poker uživo. Što i dalje ne znači da je vaših 5000 dolara "poker bankroll", jer ne znate jeste li dugoročni pobjednik ili ne. Tek kada imate taj uspjeh i razmišljate o prelasku na veće uloge poput 2/5 dolara, ima smisla razmišljati ili razgovarati o namjenskom poker bankrollu.

Ista je stvar i s online pokerom, gdje ljudi ponekad pitaju koliki im je bankroll potreban za igranje 2NL. A pitanje je pomalo glupo, jer ako si ne možete priuštiti uplatiti još 20 ili 50 dolara na svoj račun nakon nekoliko gubitnih sesija, onda biste svakako trebali pokušati riješiti svoje financijske probleme umjesto da trošite vrijeme na igranje pokera.

Dakle, online, kao i uživo, puno je logičnije pitati kada biste trebali pokušati prijeći na višu razinu i koliki vam je bankroll potreban za to. To bi bilo nešto poput barem 100-150 dolara za pokušaj prijelaza na 5NL online i barem 10 000-15 000 dolara za pokušaj prijelaza na 2/5 dolara u cash igrama uživo. I naravno, uz razumno samopouzdanje, možete pobijediti novi viši limit ili barem htjeti pokušati.

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I think the point is that no matter how big your bankroll is, bad luck can follow you for a year, two, five, maybe even a lifetime, and there is a possibility that you lose a bankroll of $1.2 billion. I believe that you should never invest more than 10% of your total savings in poker or anything else.
 
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I don't see the point in specializing in $1 or $2 tournaments. Besides, they pay out 932,399 re-entries. You run into recreational players who go all in all the time and don't care because they only lose $1, and the potential winnings don't really compensate for what you lose. On the other hand, in higher-stakes tournaments, the game is more relaxed, there aren't as many recreational players, and what you win is noticeable. It makes a difference, and you build a big bankroll. Of course, you have to study before playing. I consider myself a regular player. I haven't studied yet, but I don't have the incentive since I've never built a big bankroll. The day I win a big freeroll, I'll stop and start studying to make good use of that bankroll.
 
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20-30$. If the bankroll is bigger, consequent playing on a higher level is possible.
 
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I think the point is that no matter how big your bankroll is, bad luck can follow you for a year, two, five, maybe even a lifetime, and there is a possibility that you lose a bankroll of $1.2 billion. I believe that you should never invest more than 10% of your total savings in poker or anything else.
No the point is, that if you are a losing player, then having even a large bankroll will not protect you from losing.
 
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Poison91 said:
I don't see the point in specializing in $1 or $2 tournaments.
$1/$2 refer to a live cash game with blinds of $1/$2, which is typically the lowest stakes offered in US casinos. Typically you will buy into such a game for $100-300 at a time.
 
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fundiver199 said:
Ne, poanta je u tome da ako ste igrač koji gubi, čak ni veliki bankroll vas neće zaštititi od gubitka.
That's exactly what I said/said 😁
 
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For players with jobs, they can sit with any amount they don't mind losing.I think you need 500 dollars.
 
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fundiver199 said:
$1/$2 refer to a live cash game with blinds of $1/$2, which is typically the lowest stakes offered in US casinos. Typically you will buy into such a game for $100-300 at a time.
My bad, I hadn't understood they were talking about cash games, but they were talking about tournaments.
 
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tihomir_kula said:
20-30$. Ako je bankroll veći, moguća je i igra na višoj razini.
I don't think you can go in for a $1/2 table with $20.
 
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It depends on your win rate, but if you were at 5 bbs / hundred it would be like

anasslaaleg said:
A solid rule :
• Recreational player: 20–30 buy-ins
• Serious grinder: 40–50+ buy-ins
If the max buy-in is $200, that means:
$4k–$6k to play comfortably
$8k–$10k+ if poker is a serious income source
Variance is real. Even great players can go on brutal downswings. Bankroll management keeps you in the game long enough for skill
to matter.
Your risk of run would be 1% for the recreational player buy-ins and .1% for the grinder number of buy-ins.

If you wanted a rock solid risk of ruin number it would require a sample size of 100k hands for the specific format and buyin.
 
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