my advice is rubbish

Colbefc · Apr 7, 2011

I love this forum and If I see anyone asking for
help and advice I try my best to give
any help I could, until now

I am sick to death of giving someone some advice
I think might be helpful only to get people posting
saying that my advice is rubbish

this has happened a few times so I have come to
the conclusion that maybe they are right so from now
on I am going to keep my opinions to myself

I am not a great player but have played long enough to
have formed thoughts on playing

I only ever give advice to try and help people
but not any longer

essambb · Apr 7, 2011

i like what tome fwan said there is aint a golden way to play poker you cant win all the time but you can just tip the odd in your favoer and you have to find your own way and your own style of play and about giving advice i dont help the compition any way

Colbefc · Apr 7, 2011

If you dont want to give any advice cos you dont
want to help the competition in any way? Well
that is fine

but I dont consider the people on here as
"the competition" and apart from the fact that
there are say 10.000.000 at least poker players
so the chance of playing against anyone on here
is small, and in any case I only play micro stakes
so if I do play someone from here they wont be able
to retire on the profits, and every time I have played
someone from this forum it has only added to my
enjoyment

but I have got to wonder what someone who thinks
like you is doing on here? Most people on here are
only too willing to help each other and that is what
makes this forum so great. Of everyone thought like
you there would be no point in Cardschat at all

I take it you are on here to learn and improve your
game? So you are happy to learn from people but
not help anyone?

It takes all sorts, I am the sort of guy who would
give someone my last £5 if they needed it more than me , but maybe
that makes me the fool but if it does at least I am
a happy fool:icon_joke

10058765 · Apr 7, 2011

Colbefc said:
I love this forum and If I see anyone asking for
help and advice I try my best to give
any help I could, until now

I am sick to death of giving someone some advice
I think might be helpful only to get people posting
saying that my advice is rubbish

this has happened a few times so I have come to
the conclusion that maybe they are right so from now
on I am going to keep my opinions to myself

I wouldn't stop if I were you.
First of all they might probably be wrong themselves.
Second, if your advice is rubbish, you are confronted with it and could take advantage of that (probably fix some leaks).
Third, there's more than one road that leads to Rome.
Each reaction could make you start thinking about your play/advice and it's never wrong to analyse your advice/play again and look at it with another way of thinking.

I wonder, do they only tell you your advise is bad, or do they also give you an argument why it is bad ?

SYWTWAF · Apr 7, 2011

I'm guessing this is with regard to the PLO thread (reading it right now)? Yeah, people can be a bit brash in expressing their disagreement with a particular piece of advice, but it's better not to take it personally. If there's merit to their criticism, you can use it to bring to light and correct some of the flaws in your own game, and if there isn't, you can use it as an opportunity to flesh out (whether in writing or just in your mind) why your method is in fact the way to go. Regardless, I like your genuine will to help others, and I hope this doesn't discourage you from continuing to post.

WVHillbilly · Apr 7, 2011

Maybe instead of not posting your rubbish advice anymore (just using your words, I have no idea if your advice is rubbish), you should look at the conflicting advice and see if you could improve your game by using it.

One of the best ways to use CC to improve your own game is to give advice. Someone is going to correct you and if you take a minute to see if someone else's line might be better you'll help your game (even if there way is not better you'll help yourself by thinking more about the problem AND seeing the way other people think).

fletchdad · Apr 7, 2011

I have actually made some advice giving comments and received some polite and some not so polite disagreement posts. (Many were pretty polite) But, through the poster stating why they disagreed, I looked at my own advice in a different light and have made a lot of improvement through having my advice "trashed". So while it can be irritating sometimes, the responses have a lot of merit a lot of times. And if you dont agree with the response, fine.

IMO, keep your posts coming..................

Worak · Apr 7, 2011

As said I wouldn't stop giving advice.

When I look at some advice I gave in retrospective is was rubbish, lol.

I never said I never err and when I post an opinion it's just that.

DetroitJimmy · Apr 7, 2011

I'm sure my advice isn't 100% correct or even close. Sometimes I begin to think I'm lucky if I hit the 50% mark

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The thing is even if your advice is pure rubbish(guilty of a few myself) you will be corrected. Then at least you will be able to learn from mistakes.

If it's not quite cut and dry, which most poker isn't, you have the opportunity to debate the matter. Many times through thoughtful discussion you will catch many leaks of your own(or discover others). Even if it wasn't your hand that was posted. This is the main reason I get involved in HA threads. It makes me and the people around me better players by learning from each others mistakes. You don't have to be right all the time

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That being said I would never refer to others advice as "rubbish." I may say how I strongly disagree or if its just plain wrong I will say so and why. No need to be rude to get point across. Although sometimes when I'm making bonehead moves it don't hurt me to have someone say to me "WTF were you thinking?" or something similar

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Colbefc · Apr 7, 2011

Thanks for the really helpful responses

thinking about it, it is true that if I examine the
negative responses I can improve my own game

as you say there is no wrong or right way to
play poker and I am only giving my opinion and
some will agree with it and some will not and as
Graf says when he posts it is his opinion and just that

I guess I was being a touch over sensitive to some
replies

I wont stop trying to give advice cos I like to try to help
people

hehe and yes, I look on some of my earlier advice yes
it is rubbish but I can only try to improve and as I improve
hopefully my advice will improve, at least if I do sometimes
give bad advice it is given with the best of intentions

thanks again for your excellent replies, my faith in the
members of Cardchat has been vindicated once again

cheers friends

Stu_Ungar · Apr 7, 2011

Colbefc said:
as you say there is no wrong or right way to
play poker

I disagree with that 100%

Whilst there are differences in styles, there are most certainly incorrect ways of playing.

Try opening / cold calling 100% of hands form any position.

Do this for 100K hands

Look at your winrate.

Tell me there is no right or wrong way to play.

WVHillbilly · Apr 7, 2011

Stu_Ungar said:
I disagree with that 100%

Whilst there are differences in styles, there are most certainly incorrect ways of playing.

Try opening / cold calling 100% of hands form any position.

Do this for 100K hands

Look at your winrate.

Tell me there is no right or wrong way to play.

Well if you are a super user this would be the right way to play (or close to it).

Stu_Ungar · Apr 7, 2011

WVHillbilly said:
Well if you are a super user this would be the right way to play (or close to it).

Even a superuser couldn't profitably play 100% of hands. Although they could play a much wider range than any normal player or that of multiple colluders

WVHillbilly · Apr 7, 2011

Oh no a super user could def. play 100% of their hands and be profitable overall.

Stu_Ungar · Apr 7, 2011

WVHillbilly said:
Oh no a super user could def. play 100% of their hands and be profitable overall.

I dont think so.

72o is a bad hand because it simply dosent flop well

AA is a great hand because it wins at SD about 80% against a random hand.

If the superuser held 72o and UTG held AA, (unless the SU knew what the flop was going to be.. Im assuming he just knows hole cards) he is realy going to struggle to show a profit.

Edit: I think I see what you mean. SU is going to lose on a lot of weak hands (which really should be taken out of his range), yet profit so much more form his bigger hands, hero calls and insane bluffing ability that he could show a profit playing 100% yet show a bigger profit by playing a somewhat reduced range.

DetroitJimmy · Apr 7, 2011

Stu_Ungar said:
Even a superuser couldn't profitably play 100% of hands. Although they could play a much wider range than any normal player or that of multiple colluders

Okay guys, excluding the rare exception that any of us are superusers asking for advice, then Stu was right about his quote form OP

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I don't remember saying there was no right or wrong way too play poker. It's just some decisions aren't quite so cut and dry in poker and therefore debatable. Many times a play can be 100% wrong!

Of course if you are playing PLO then I guess anything is possible in that crazy world.

essambb · Apr 7, 2011

playing 100 % of the hand is just asking for trouble as the sick thing will happen evetually you have to fold some hads to avoid disaster as you have to fold good hands in bad postion try some times to fold QQ or AK out of postion

WVHillbilly · Apr 7, 2011

Stu_Ungar said:
Edit: I think I see what you mean. SU is going to lose on a lot of weak hands (which really should be taken out of his range), yet profit so much more form his bigger hands, hero calls and insane bluffing ability that he could show a profit playing 100% yet show a bigger profit by playing a somewhat reduced range.

Exactly. SU can play 100% and still be very profitable but could be more profitable by not playing 100%. Now what did I do with my password for my SU account?

Stu_Ungar · Apr 7, 2011

WVHillbilly said:
Exactly. SU can play 100% and still be very profitable but could be more profitable by not playing 100%. Now what did I do with my password for my SU account?

Do you need it back?

Or can I use it for one more day?

Colbefc · Apr 7, 2011

I still say there are not a right way and wrong
way to play poker

there might be a profitable and non profitable
way to play poker

there are certainly certainly certain things that
most people would and wouldn't do like raising
UTG with 7-2off etc

but what is the right way for me to play poker will
be completely wrong for someone else and visa
versa

as far as I can see you can say to someone this
is the way I would play this hand etc but you cannot
say this is the right way to play a hand or this is the
right way to play poker because everyone is different

WVHillbilly · Apr 7, 2011

Ok. Time to be a dick.

What's the deal with your posting style? Random line breaks, no capitalization, no punctuation, and no grouping of thoughts.

Very frustrating to read imo.

fugitive67 · Apr 7, 2011

i think any advice is helpful if the person giving it was being totally serious and honest and not just being a jackwagon

even if the advice itself does not seem very good, you can at least see how others think about situations and maybe incorporate into how you play certain types of players

you might go, hey this guy plays like that guy that gave me advice seems to think ... i know, a stretch, but information is king in poker

p.s. i've never seen the OP give bad advice, altho i am new here

i say keep giving advice ... poker is fun to play, fun to talk about, fun to debate about ... it's all good

Colbefc · Apr 7, 2011

wow that tops the lot

even get criticised for the way I
write my posts

I give up, I'v always kept away from
forums until now and I am starting to
remember why that was

I dont need the hastle, this is my
last post on here, gl all

WVHillbilly · Apr 7, 2011

I was just asking why and letting you know I found it hard to read.

Bit of advice, it's the internet don't take it so seriously.

DetroitJimmy · Apr 7, 2011

WVHillbilly said:
Ok. Time to be a dick.

What's the deal with your posting style? Random line breaks, no capitalization, no punctuation, and no grouping of thoughts.

Very frustrating to read imo.

fugitive67 said:
i think any advice is helpful if the person giving it was being totally serious and honest and not just being a jackwagon

even if the advice itself does not seem very good, you can at least see how others think about situations and maybe incorporate into how you play certain types of players

you might go, hey this guy plays like that guy that gave me advice seems to think ... i know, a stretch, but information is king in poker

p.s. i've never seen the OP give bad advice, altho i am new here

i say keep giving advice ... poker is fun to play, fun to talk about, fun to debate about ... it's all good

LOL! Not to be a dick, but it's spreading.

Edit: At least there is some punctuation in this quote. A half assed attempt is better than than none IMO

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