AI without poker

M13A13 · Jan 16, 2025

How do you see artificial intelligence not poker? Do you see it as a threat or an opportunity. I particularly see it as a threat, as sites can further exploit this resource to place artificial players with capabilities, greater than ours, with high-level plays, without suffering the sentimental damage that we feel at the tables during the plays, where we are forced to do so. to give up our hands.

888NOX888 · Jan 16, 2025

Artificial intelligence is gradually penetrating into all areas of our lives, nothing can be done about it yet, we will continue to act on the situation.

accuratefern · Jan 16, 2025

pentazepam said:
This will not age well.

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accuratefern · Jan 16, 2025

pentazepam said:
This will not age well.

Hmmm

hardfloor · Jan 16, 2025

Artificial intelligence (AI) only adds to the studies on solvers, which allow us to analyze how moves should be carried out in more EV+ ways.
In the past, the vast resource of studies that we have today did not exist, and artificial intelligence played its role.
With everything, players who study a lot, solvers will be further ahead of the field, but the last decision is still up to the human, with the concepts acquired in solvers we must remember that we cannot take it literally at the tables because the population does not play oGTO (game perfect).
In relation to boot, serious sites should always check for these types of fraud, what we should do is play on trustworthy sites inspected by supervisory bodies!

accuratefern · Jan 16, 2025

almir nicolau said:
Artificial intelligence (AI) only adds to the studies on solvers, which allow us to analyze how moves should be carried out in more EV+ ways.
In the past, the vast resource of studies that we have today did not exist, and artificial intelligence played its role.
With everything, players who study a lot, solvers will be further ahead of the field, but the last decision is still up to the human, with the concepts acquired in solvers we must remember that we cannot take it literally at the tables because the population does not play oGTO (game perfect).
In relation to boot, serious sites should always check for these types of fraud, what we should do is play on trustworthy sites inspected by supervisory bodies!

Well, I play high stakes cash games and I can relate to much of what you write. Especially regarding GTO.

In order to win all high stakers must know GTO by heart. Down to the nitty gritty details. We don’t need no solvers.

The high staker who solely rely on GTO is a loser. The winning players deviate from GTO whenever possible.

Pretty much anything goes for the bold, brave, cunning and highly aggressive player. The caveat is that pretty much anything can go wrong too.

Anyone tells you that cash games at serious levels is gung ho. Then you have a liar. The game is dirty warfare and combatting from street to street. Guts and grinding. True grit.

Rost · Jan 16, 2025

I see the development of technologies related to artificial intelligence only in a positive light. As for me, artificial intelligence will make the game safer and more convenient. If I know how to earn money now, I hope I can win a few dollars tomorrow

Poker Orifice · Jan 17, 2025

M13A13 said:
How do you see artificial intelligence not poker? Do you see it as a threat or an opportunity. I particularly see it as a threat, as sites can further exploit this resource to place artificial players with capabilities, greater than ours, with high-level plays, without suffering the sentimental damage that we feel at the tables during the plays, where we are forced to do so. to give up our hands.

I too see it as a threat to online poker, but not for the reasons you're suggesting here.

When I'm not playing Lowstakes Cashgame (or micro), I'm actually playing Gazillionaire stakes HU SnGs (why do you think all the regs stopped playing HU SnG? Me.. that's why. And before that it was HU Cash... put Dougie into retirement) So I know what I'm talking about.

s0ftdumps · Jan 17, 2025

M13A13 said:
How do you see artificial intelligence not poker? Do you see it as a threat or an opportunity. I particularly see it as a threat, as sites can further exploit this resource to place artificial players with capabilities, greater than ours, with high-level plays, without suffering the sentimental damage that we feel at the tables during the plays, where we are forced to do so. to give up our hands.

I see AI as both a threat and an opportunity, depending on how it’s used. It’s true that advanced AI has the potential to outperform human players with precise calculations, lack of emotional bias, and strategic depth. This could make games feel unfair if it leads to the introduction of bots that are impossible to beat.

Alex Houngan · Jan 17, 2025

This topic seems to be a duplicate, as a similar discussion already exists on the forum. Here's the link to the original thread:
The impact of Artificial Intelligence (AI) in poker

Poker Orifice · Jan 17, 2025

Jean-Guy said:
So you play lowstakes and midstakes. Best of luck so that you can progress to highstakes. If you play at PokerStars maybe we can meet at i.e. NL1000. Wouldn’t it be fun😊 Are you a man or a mouse?

Poker isn't an ego thing for me. I also don't make a habit of playing where I don't feel I can maximize ev. I have zero desire to move to high stakes & I actually don't even view it as 'progress' for myself. And no I don't play mid-stakes.
I play recreationally & gradually grind up bankrolls. I do have some poker aspirations but they're not high stakes cash & they have nothing to do with trying to or thinking about beating someone else.
Why don't you post up some of your play? Post up some HandHistories. Post up a short vid.? Otherwise honestly I think it's just fallacy... a daydream of your's.

accuratefern · Jan 17, 2025

I actually agree with you. “Poker isn’t an ego thing for me,” you write. I share this view. Respect all players and be cordial with all players - but especially those you disagree with.

Disagreement gives food for thoughts and sometimes new knowledge.

No, I don’t reveal my alias. And I have never mentioned winnings by numbers.

If you have your reservations and doubt, I don’t mind. Debi and Tammy know my alias and IRL name. What you think is what you think and must be respected.

I wrote once that I don’t like you. This was a stupid statement. Alas, sometimes my temper goes wild. I read most of your posts with interest. But you have many posts and a very low reaction score percentage. You are said to have the lowest reaction score of all with plus 1000 posts. Seems that most of your posts are ignored. Why is that?

Acechador · Jan 17, 2025

I see AI as both a threat and an opportunity. While it can elevate gameplay analysis and training, the risk of AI bots undermining fair play is real. Transparency and site regulations are crucial to maintain poker’s integrity.

ManOfSky · Jun 27, 2025

If you mean “AI without poker,” like how I’d answer or function outside poker topics, I’m ready to chat about anything—from tech, movies, books, to everyday life. Just let me know what you want!

fernandofcp · Jul 17, 2025

Artificial intelligence could have a significant impact on the world of poker, both in training and learning, as well as in strategy development and even in the way the game is played. Artificial intelligence is making significant progress in today's world, and poker will not be left out of this impact.

infonazar · Jul 21, 2025

M13A13 said:
How do you see artificial intelligence not poker? Do you see it as a threat or an opportunity. I particularly see it as a threat, as sites can further exploit this resource to place artificial players with capabilities, greater than ours, with high-level plays, without suffering the sentimental damage that we feel at the tables during the plays, where we are forced to do so. to give up our hands.

For each of us, poker is something different, something special. For you, poker is something that brings you mental pain and suffering, but for me, poker is something that brings me joy and satisfaction regardless of the results.
I am optimistic about the future and believe that new technologies will make the game safer and more popular.

DiazPoker3101 · Jul 22, 2025

For now, it’s still far from being a real threat, but you have to stay alert for what’s coming so it doesn’t catch you off guard.

roberto51 · Jul 22, 2025

AI interference in online poker is the beginning of the end of online poker.

eberetta1 · Jul 22, 2025

What I dislike is when I mention golf, or cars or any thoughts to my friends and commercials and advertisements start popping up on my electronics mentioning these very same subjects. Invasion of privacy.

wushibala · Jul 24, 2025

I think poker rooms will also start using AI more over time — for example, to detect bots and things like that.
So I believe everything will be fine in the long run.
But in the end, only time will tell. Let’s wait and see.

sandy358 · Jul 24, 2025

M13A13 said:
I particularly see it as a threat, as sites can further exploit this resource to place artificial players with capabilities, greater than ours, with high-level plays, without suffering the sentimental damage that we feel at the tables during the plays, where we are forced to do so. to give up our hands.

Solvers have been around for a decade now. Bots also have been around for a while. LLMs are not made for poker and quite bad at it to say the least, so I doubt they will change much in the environment.

We should worry more about RTAs and stuff like that.

istbno · Jul 26, 2025

AI in poker is both a threat and an opportunity. It’s a threat because advanced bots and solvers can create unfair advantages, especially online, making games tougher and increasing the risk of cheating. However, it’s also a huge opportunity for players who use AI tools ethically for study and improvement, as solvers help understand optimal strategies and reduce mistakes. The key is how the industry regulates AI use—when managed properly, it becomes a learning tool rather than a game-breaking risk.

Newzooozooo · Aug 13, 2025

M13A13 said:
How do you see artificial intelligence not poker? Do you see it as a threat or an opportunity. I particularly see it as a threat, as sites can further exploit this resource to place artificial players with capabilities, greater than ours, with high-level plays, without suffering the sentimental damage that we feel at the tables during the plays, where we are forced to do so. to give up our hands.

This can be both a threat and a very useful element. Thanks to AI, it will be possible to detect fraud much faster. But thanks to AI, it will probably also be possible to commit fraud more effectively. It all depends on how you look at the issue.

john_entony · Aug 14, 2025

Here I agree with the author of the thread that artificial intelligence, when used in this way, can be a threat to online poker. Of course, all poker rooms should control any manipulation related to the misuse of artificial intelligence at poker tables.

TeUnit · Aug 14, 2025

I dont really view AI as a threat, I view it as an opportunity. Never in all of history have so many resources been available to help you improve your poker game. Dont know how many games it would take to get a reasonable assessment of ROI - ask AI. Dont know how many buyins you should have with your given ROI ask - AI. Dont understand ICM ask AI to explain it to you. etc etc etc.

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