Algorithms in poker

Anamembu · Aug 29, 2023

Algorithms in poker are like that friend who sometimes saves the night and other times complicates it even more! Imagine this: you're sitting at the poker table with a hand that seems weaker than a wet paper. But wait, here comes the saving algorithm. With its superhuman calculation abilities, the algorithm suggests you go on. And you do! And, surprise, surprise, you win the hand and feel like the poker king.

But beware, because the algorithm can also be the little devil on your shoulder. It's given you a streak of good hands, and you start believing you're invincible. You bet high, raise the stakes, and here comes the unexpected twist! You lose, and not just that, but you keep losing hand after hand. The algorithm whispers in your ear, "Come on, one last hand, surely this time." And there you go, losing more chips than a cosmic vacuum cleaner.

The thing is, algorithms are brilliant at doing calculations and evaluating probabilities, but they're not fortune-tellers. They can suggest what seems to be the best option based on data, but poker isn't just about numbers. It's about reading your opponents, taking calculated risks, and sometimes just trusting your gut.

So, the next time the algorithm gives you advice in poker, remember that it's like having a math assistant trying to guess your opponents' intentions. Sometimes it'll lead you to glory, and other times it'll leave you wondering what the heck happened. Ultimately, poker is a mix of strategy, emotion, and pure luck, where algorithms can be helpful but will never be the true masters of the game. 🎲🤖

Sopt · Aug 29, 2023

It's not just with poker, it's the same with life. While statistics, algorithms ect can help with it, one mustn't depend too heavily on it as not everything goes according to it.
In nicer words.. living/playing by the book, doesn't mean you play/live the best way.

Canaldo Kao · Aug 29, 2023

Sopt said:
It's not just with poker, it's the same with life. While statistics, algorithms ect can help with it, one mustn't depend too heavily on it as not everything goes according to it.
In nicer words.. living/playing by the book, doesn't mean you play/live the best way.

Yesterday I lost two final tables in the same way, the River made me not win two tournaments but even so I think that everything has its statistics and I completely agree with what you wrote there, both in real life and in the game!

LaNimmer · Aug 29, 2023

I just don't use them for all the reasons you just stated, so I use many rule of thumbs and hand charts. I also prefer learning through the experience of playing many hands. I'll use HUD info if is provided to all players but I prefer sites that prohibit there use so everybody has the same baseline of info that they must gather by close observation of the whole table (and take notes). If I bust out it is my fault. If I win, it's all mine!

DanielNeg · Aug 29, 2023

Isn’t the algorithm random?
Or it is setup in a way that if you are winning you should lose next 2,3 hands please explain ?
I am confused ‘

Anamembu · Aug 29, 2023

Sopt said:
It's not just with poker, it's the same with life. While statistics, algorithms ect can help with it, one mustn't depend too heavily on it as not everything goes according to it.
In nicer words.. living/playing by the book, doesn't mean you play/live the best way.

You're right in what you say, thank you for your comment.

Canaldo Kao said:
Yesterday I lost two final tables in the same way, the River made me not win two tournaments but even so I think that everything has its statistics and I completely agree with what you wrote there, both in real life and in the game!

Thank you for your contribution, regards.

LaNimmer said:
I just don't use them for all the reasons you just stated, so I use many rule of thumbs and hand charts. I also prefer learning through the experience of playing many hands. I'll use HUD info if is provided to all players but I prefer sites that prohibit there use so everybody has the same baseline of info that they must gather by close observation of the whole table (and take notes). If I bust out it is my fault. If I win, it's all mine!

I share that optimism, thank you for your comment.

DanielNeg said:
Isn’t the algorithm random?
Or it is setup in a way that if you are winning you should lose next 2,3 hands please explain ?
I am confused ‘

I wouldn't be able to answer that, you could try it out and then draw your conclusions. I keep playing it. Regards.

bizzyguy · Aug 29, 2023

Anamembu said:
Algorithms in poker are like that friend who sometimes saves the night and other times complicates it even more! Imagine this: you're sitting at the poker table with a hand that seems weaker than a wet paper. But wait, here comes the saving algorithm. With its superhuman calculation abilities, the algorithm suggests you go on. And you do! And, surprise, surprise, you win the hand and feel like the poker king.

But beware, because the algorithm can also be the little devil on your shoulder. It's given you a streak of good hands, and you start believing you're invincible. You bet high, raise the stakes, and here comes the unexpected twist! You lose, and not just that, but you keep losing hand after hand. The algorithm whispers in your ear, "Come on, one last hand, surely this time." And there you go, losing more chips than a cosmic vacuum cleaner.

The thing is, algorithms are brilliant at doing calculations and evaluating probabilities, but they're not fortune-tellers. They can suggest what seems to be the best option based on data, but poker isn't just about numbers. It's about reading your opponents, taking calculated risks, and sometimes just trusting your gut.

So, the next time the algorithm gives you advice in poker, remember that it's like having a math assistant trying to guess your opponents' intentions. Sometimes it'll lead you to glory, and other times it'll leave you wondering what the heck happened. Ultimately, poker is a mix of strategy, emotion, and pure luck, where algorithms can be helpful but will never be the true masters of the game. 🎲🤖

Glad I’m not the only one who noticed this 😂, I’m genuinely convinced that online poker is rigged, chances are we’d probably have a higher success rate in real life or in a casino

Anamembu · Aug 29, 2023

bizzyguy said:
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed this 😂, I’m genuinely convinced that online poker is rigged, chances are we’d probably have a higher success rate in real life or in a casino

I'm glad to hear that, and I share the same idea

bizzyguy · Aug 29, 2023

Anamembu said:
I'm glad to hear that, and I share the same idea

Yhh ahaha I’m yet to test my theory but I’ll let you know how it goes

lauestla · Aug 30, 2023

I share your idea about algorithms setup in a way that probabilities are often cracked.
But I don't think that online poker is rigged. I mean the poker rooms algorithms are not technically able to "stick to the real life". Because real life is not random.
But you are right: Poker is a game of strategy, emotions and luck. We can learn strategy and work to control our emotions... but we always will have to deal with the luck part of the game.

Anamembu · Aug 30, 2023

bizzyguy said:
Yhh ahaha I’m yet to test my theory but I’ll let you know how it goes

Well, of course, everyone can draw their own conclusions and find arguments that support that idea.

lauestla said:
I share your idea about algorithms setup in a way that probabilities are often cracked.
But I don't think that online poker is rigged. I mean the poker rooms algorithms are not technically able to "stick to the real life". Because real life is not random.
But you are right: Poker is a game of strategy, emotions and luck. We can learn strategy and work to control our emotions... but we always will have to deal with the luck part of the game.

Well said, thank you for your input. Regards.

tony2521 · Aug 30, 2023

Your comments are very accurate and it is like that in everything, even in daily life and not only in poker

0546474 · Aug 30, 2023

If poker was completely mathematical, it wouldn't be such an interesting game!!! After all, it is the right bet size, timely bluff and luck that make poker an incredibly interesting game !!!

Anamembu · Aug 30, 2023

tony2521 said:
Your comments are very accurate and it is like that in everything, even in daily life and not only in poker

Thank you for your comment, regards

0546474 said:
If poker was completely mathematical, it wouldn't be such an interesting game!!! After all, it is the right bet size, timely bluff and luck that make poker an incredibly interesting game !!!

Very true what you're saying, regards, and thank you for your contribution.

jonaselloco · Aug 30, 2023

Hello compatriot.
Look, poker is a game of mathematical possibilities, and above all that in some hands you are "lucky" that the possibilities help you.
Example of a very normal hand in tournaments or in cash, AA vs KK. If you have your KK you have a certain possibility of winning the hand on the flop, turn or river, depending on the cards that are falling on the 3 streets. But let's agree that the long-term chances of AA winning are greater.
Then it is the game of bets per street according to the probability of hands you have. It is not the same to bet on a flop if you have a pair high, or that you complete a set, or that you have a straight, or that you have a flush or a full house. Nor is the bet the same if you have projects to complete in the next two streets.
For that, the so-called "odds" are used, which are neither more nor less than the possibility of winning the hand according to the chances that my letter will arrive. Many hands come to a turn in which a pair in hands high AA KK is winning the hand, but you on the turn have a flush draw plus a two-headed straight and even your card in hand can be repeated and you make a set. An example could be that against the villain having AA you have 76s and the flop is 45s7 (the suit of your suit in hand) and you have 2 streets for the other color to come, or the 7 for a set, or the 6 for two pair or the 8 or 3 for a straight. That hand gives you a minimum of 23 odds if the calculation is correct, that is, your probability of winning the hand is 48%. In other words, in the long term it will be absolutely profitable for you.
But well, the example is because it is not only playing against the opponent. Yes, your opponent can be aggressive, tight, recreational, etc. But ultimately what defines the game is the value of your hand compared to the value of the opponent's hand.
Regarding the fact that online poker is manipulated, a comment that I have read out there, I respect it but I do not agree at all.
Those comments are the ones we all had when we first started playing the game. Ufff it always goes wrong for me. Ufff badbeats always happen to me. Uffff the software is manipulated. Ufff they always win the same. And many more comments, that when you start to study the game, you start to study the variance or the bad and good streaks, and other things, you will see that these comments will differentiate you in becoming a regular player, or a recreational player.
That's why a regular player studies the game, studies ranges, studies fairness, studies huds, and studies lots of situations in which in the long run they will possibly pay off.
I hope the long explanation that I do about your post has been useful for you, which is very good.
Greetings

Pityesz1974 · Aug 31, 2023

The algorithm is a very good thing in poker.It deals based on that,how you play your hands.If you play well,then submit the good card to win, if you play poorly you won't win even though you have a big pair in your hand.

Anamembu · Aug 31, 2023

jonaselloco said:
Hello compatriot.
Look, poker is a game of mathematical possibilities, and above all that in some hands you are "lucky" that the possibilities help you.
Example of a very normal hand in tournaments or in cash, AA vs KK. If you have your KK you have a certain possibility of winning the hand on the flop, turn or river, depending on the cards that are falling on the 3 streets. But let's agree that the long-term chances of AA winning are greater.
Then it is the game of bets per street according to the probability of hands you have. It is not the same to bet on a flop if you have a pair high, or that you complete a set, or that you have a straight, or that you have a flush or a full house. Nor is the bet the same if you have projects to complete in the next two streets.
For that, the so-called "odds" are used, which are neither more nor less than the possibility of winning the hand according to the chances that my letter will arrive. Many hands come to a turn in which a pair in hands high AA KK is winning the hand, but you on the turn have a flush draw plus a two-headed straight and even your card in hand can be repeated and you make a set. An example could be that against the villain having AA you have 76s and the flop is 45s7 (the suit of your suit in hand) and you have 2 streets for the other color to come, or the 7 for a set, or the 6 for two pair or the 8 or 3 for a straight. That hand gives you a minimum of 23 odds if the calculation is correct, that is, your probability of winning the hand is 48%. In other words, in the long term it will be absolutely profitable for you.
But well, the example is because it is not only playing against the opponent. Yes, your opponent can be aggressive, tight, recreational, etc. But ultimately what defines the game is the value of your hand compared to the value of the opponent's hand.
Regarding the fact that online poker is manipulated, a comment that I have read out there, I respect it but I do not agree at all.
Those comments are the ones we all had when we first started playing the game. Ufff it always goes wrong for me. Ufff badbeats always happen to me. Uffff the software is manipulated. Ufff they always win the same. And many more comments, that when you start to study the game, you start to study the variance or the bad and good streaks, and other things, you will see that these comments will differentiate you in becoming a regular player, or a recreational player.
That's why a regular player studies the game, studies ranges, studies fairness, studies huds, and studies lots of situations in which in the long run they will possibly pay off.
I hope the long explanation that I do about your post has been useful for you, which is very good.
Greetings

I don't believe it's manipulated, but rather programmed. I also don't believe it's designed to make you lose more than you win. Nevertheless, the text aims to polarize opinions on the matter. So, thank you for your comment and the perspective you've shared. Regards.

Pityesz1974 said:
The algorithm is a very good thing in poker.It deals based on that,how you play your hands.If you play well,then submit the good card to win, if you play poorly you won't win even though you have a big pair in your hand.

Interesting point of view, although I don't quite understand it, regards.

Skot_Gy · Aug 31, 2023

I think sticking to play by the book according to probabilities and algorythm is the winning way.
I did not reached this level and i really don't think i will, but imo that's the way

Anamembu · Aug 31, 2023

Skot_Gy said:
I think sticking to play by the book according to probabilities and algorythm is the winning way.
I did not reached this level and i really don't think i will, but imo that's the way

It could be, thank you for your comment, regards

jonaselloco · Aug 31, 2023

Anamembu said:
I don't believe it's manipulated, but rather programmed. I also don't believe it's designed to make you lose more than you win. Nevertheless, the text aims to polarize opinions on the matter. So, thank you for your comment and the perspective you've shared. Regards.

Interesting point of view, although I don't quite understand it, regards.

If it is true, the software is logically programmed with the endless number of situations that can happen in a live poker game, for example.
When you see hands on youtube that you say "it's impossible I can't believe it", well those hands also happen online.
This does not mean that they copy these hands and enter it into the software, but rather that in the huge algorithmic variant of poker hands, the software does not tilt for or against anyone.
That is, how you can play KK vs AA many times, you can also play AA vs KK many times, in all those times if you are losing you can click a set, or a ladder etc.
My experience is that long ago I was absolutely convinced that the software was tampered with.
What's more, I stopped playing on networks like PPPoker, and I even told a cashier once that the same people always won.
Of course, what happened, that I was not qualified to play the poker that is played today. When I started training and began to get good results, I began to understand that we have to change for the better and not the software.
Greetings compatriot and good post.

Tanamita · Aug 31, 2023

I tried many times to understand the algorithms, it did not work

TeUnit · Aug 31, 2023

Math does not lie, but that does not mean that you are going to win every hand.

Anamembu · Aug 31, 2023

Tanamita said:
I tried many times to understand the algorithms, it did not work

Very true, it's difficult to understand.

TeUnit said:
Math does not lie, but that does not mean that you are going to win every hand.

Correct, thank you for your comment.

MazzErati · Sep 4, 2023

Anamembu said:
Algorithms in poker are like that friend who sometimes saves the night and other times complicates it even more! Imagine this: you're sitting at the poker table with a hand that seems weaker than a wet paper. But wait, here comes the saving algorithm. With its superhuman calculation abilities, the algorithm suggests you go on. And you do! And, surprise, surprise, you win the hand and feel like the poker king.

But beware, because the algorithm can also be the little devil on your shoulder. It's given you a streak of good hands, and you start believing you're invincible. You bet high, raise the stakes, and here comes the unexpected twist! You lose, and not just that, but you keep losing hand after hand. The algorithm whispers in your ear, "Come on, one last hand, surely this time." And there you go, losing more chips than a cosmic vacuum cleaner.

The thing is, algorithms are brilliant at doing calculations and evaluating probabilities, but they're not fortune-tellers. They can suggest what seems to be the best option based on data, but poker isn't just about numbers. It's about reading your opponents, taking calculated risks, and sometimes just trusting your gut.

So, the next time the algorithm gives you advice in poker, remember that it's like having a math assistant trying to guess your opponents' intentions. Sometimes it'll lead you to glory, and other times it'll leave you wondering what the heck happened. Ultimately, poker is a mix of strategy, emotion, and pure luck, where algorithms can be helpful but will never be the true masters of the game. 🎲🤖

In some respects, my friend, you are right, when I get dealt the top of my hands 5 times in a row or after one, and if the 5th hand was sometimes pocket QQ, then I discarded them without a second thought, and you know what? There half the table was in ol ini! AA, KK, AJ, I had no chance at all with QQ!
Guess who won? Everyone must have thought that AA of course

but no! AJ with 10-A Street

Falai_san · Sep 4, 2023

This is what makes poker fun because you are not considered a winner until the last card appears.
There is always excitement and surprises that sometimes come to your advantage and at other times make you laugh.

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