Is this allowed?

arkadiy · Dec 8, 2007

Lets say I have a friend who is trying to learn poker a little better.

Can he ask me for advice in the middle of a hand? Or is that considered cheating?

dweezel · Dec 8, 2007

your kidding me ....right?

K4Lic0 · Dec 8, 2007

Online? Live? Home game? Casino?

I don't see a problem with advice, JUST advice.

arkadiy · Dec 8, 2007

See here is my verdict on this.

If this is not allowed, THEN why are calculators that tell when to call, fold, raise allowed?

K4Lic0 · Dec 8, 2007

Who said it wasn't allowed? Also, those calculators ONLY take probability into account. I don't think you could win a tourney by just using a calculator.

sgroitoy · Dec 8, 2007

hmm

I wouldnt say it's cheating but it's not cool either..you get it?

Dorkus Malorkus · Dec 8, 2007

umm of course it's allowed online, "one person to a hand" is completely unenforcible online, and as such sites have no rule with regards to it.

dmtrav77 · Dec 8, 2007

tourney rules say you can not discuss hands in play.!!

ph_il · Dec 8, 2007

Im teaching my friend how to play poker online. I watch him play and we chat online about the hand after it finishes. If he ask for advice during a had, I tell him to play the hand out the way he thinks is best and then we discuss if afterwards.

I dont think its wrong to help out and give advice, but doing it mid hand is like you're playing the game. You have to let your friend play the hand himself and let him learn what he did right and/or wrong.

zachvac · Dec 8, 2007

I think technically it's illegal, but I don't see anything unethical about it. If this person is also discussing the hand with other people in the hand, THEN there's a problem. But as long as they only have the information you have, hell I don't see why a friend can't dictate what you do, it'd be the same as you sending him the money and letting him play. Unless the friend is also in the hand or has multiple "friends" playing at the table there's a problem. Note that this however is a cash game.

For tournaments, it's definitely unethical to have a person who's in the tournament (even if they busted out already) give advice on a hand. In fact, it was more than mere advice, but this got people to lose a lot of money they won, there's another thread around here somewhere on that (I think the WSOOP but I'm not positive).

jeffred1111 · Dec 9, 2007

Online + home game for pennies I'd say it's right (altough make sure everyone agrees to coaching in a firendly home game). Any other settings, no.

Chiefer · Dec 9, 2007

pro's have coaches

CubanaD64 · Dec 9, 2007

chiefer77 said:
pro's have coaches

Yes, but they never discuss strategy or plays while they are in the middle of a hand, only if they are folded or in between deals.

jaymfc · Dec 9, 2007

arkadiy said:
Lets say I have a friend who is trying to learn poker a little better.

Can he ask me for advice in the middle of a hand? Or is that considered cheating?

it's considered useless by anyone who knows your game

I imagine there a thousands of people playing , with a friend or whole group of drunks behind them yelling suggestions. as long as your playing one hand , I see nothing wrong with it. I'd be willing to play against two people on one hand.

BigWaveDaveO · Dec 9, 2007

As long as you're not at the same tourney or table you're fine. Give all the advice you want. IMHO.

OzExorcist · Dec 9, 2007

philthy said:
Im teaching my friend how to play poker online. I watch him play and we chat online about the hand after it finishes. If he ask for advice during a had, I tell him to play the hand out the way he thinks is best and then we discuss if afterwards.

I dont think its wrong to help out and give advice, but doing it mid hand is like you're playing the game. You have to let your friend play the hand himself and let him learn what he did right and/or wrong.

I agree with this - for the sheer educational value, aside from the ethical concerns. Let them play the hands their way, make their own mistakes, and ask you how they could've done it different afterwards. Otherwise, they may as well just watch you play, and ask you questions.

Goldog · Dec 9, 2007

I've coached friends, usually playing my money. It never works out.

I'll comment "you probably shudda raised there" then the absolute worst card will fall and they'll auto-raise before I can say anything

Or they're just HORRIBLE and experience every kind of suckout imaginable to win the damn thing. What can you say then?

Marko75 · Dec 10, 2007

arkadiy said:
See here is my verdict on this.

If this is not allowed, THEN why are calculators that tell when to call, fold, raise allowed?

Are they? As far as I know, most sites DO NOT allow programs that say directly what to do (call, raise, fold). The sole reason why Poker Tracker and PokerOffice are generally allowed is exactly this - those programs do not tell the user what to do, but simply provide them with the statistics (something that you might as well do with a pen and a piece of paper).

muddawgg · Dec 10, 2007

if you are teaching someone i would think you are playing with play money . if thats the case i see no harm.

arahel_jazz · Dec 10, 2007

Marko75 said:
Are they? As far as I know, most sites DO NOT allow programs that say directly what to do (call, raise, fold). The sole reason why Poker Tracker and PokerOffice are generally allowed is exactly this - those programs do not tell the user what to do, but simply provide them with the statistics (something that you might as well do with a pen and a piece of paper).

Hmmm... I wonder what kind of response I would get if I sat down at a wsop NLHE tourney with a clipboard and notepad to calculate odds in the middle of a hand...

zachvac · Dec 10, 2007

arahel_jazz said:
Hmmm... I wonder what kind of response I would get if I sat down at a WSOP NLHE tourney with a clipboard and notepad to calculate odds in the middle of a hand...

People would probably look at you funny, but can anyone confirm whether this is actually illegal or not? Can you bring a calculator?

OzExorcist · Dec 11, 2007

arahel_jazz said:
Hmmm... I wonder what kind of response I would get if I sat down at a WSOP NLHE tourney with a clipboard and notepad to calculate odds in the middle of a hand...

They'd probably assume they were there to keep track of your side bets

As long as your calculator isn't also a communications device, there's no TDA rule against it. The greater concern would probably be someone else looking at your figures and working out from them what kind of hand you're holding.

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