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Message: [QUOTE="Mr Whatever, post: 1557418, member: 70574"] look this hellmuth thing, getting old, like the aa thing i dont care for the guys nonsense and im not a fan of his but to think this guy isnt an all time tourn great or to say hes still not competing with todays holdem players although hes got a better track record than almost everybody isnt right. if u look at his track record in wsop tourns and the ppl ur trying to compare him isnt right because these ppl ur comparing to ph- havent done or won anything yet. u ppl can come up with numerous excuses and explainations, just face it the guy is good and plz stop hating, lolol. if u dont believe it just take ur example and compare their track records in wsop tourns. phils plays in the wsop , the standard to judge the best tourn players in the world for the last 30+ yrs has been the wsop and phil has one of the best track records of the last 20yrs. i have no idea what u ppl are going on about besides just hating that guy. [/QUOTE]