ChuckTs & Zachvac talk fpps and $/hr

zachvac · Jul 7, 2008

Wow 0.56, I can vouch for the other 2 numbers (50nl and 100nl) being right within 0.01 accuracy for me.

Munchrs · Jul 7, 2008

BelgoSuisse said:
According to the thread Chuck links to, .129 VPP/hand. That's really not much rakeback compared to what you can get on full tilt.

if you put in a bit of volume you can easily get gold star and earn double FPP which equates to .238 FPP/hand or 23.8FPP/100 or 238FPP/1000.

Each FPP can be traded at 1.14c/1FPP so its eraning $2.71 rake back per 1000 hands, I dont know what FTP gives you per 100 but stars is much better for higer volume/stakes plyers.

Munchrs · Jul 7, 2008

^^^that does seem like **** all actually.

BelgoSuisse · Jul 7, 2008

Munchrs said:
if you put in a bit of volume you can easily get gold star and earn double FPP which equates to .238 FPP/hand or 23.8FPP/100 or 238FPP/1000.

Each FPP can be traded at 1.14c/1FPP so its eraning $2.71 rake back per 1000 hands, I dont know what Full Tilt Poker gives you per 100 but stars is much better for higer volume/stakes plyers.

No, PS only starts to be competitive with Full Tilt's 27% rakeback when you reach supernova or something like that. Which is impossible at 25NL. The only good reason to play at PS at 25NL would be that I think the competition is softer there.

I'll check my pokertracker stats tonight for $/1000 in FT 27% rakeback and will post an update. I think it must be about $5/1000 hands at 25NL.

Jagsti · Jul 7, 2008

I thought the rake at FT was a fair bit higher than Stars?

WVHillbilly · Jul 7, 2008

I only have experience with FT rakeback at 25NL and I have averaged just over 1BB/100 each month in RB since I started. So unless your SNE, FT + RB > Stars + FPPs.

zachvac · Jul 7, 2008

Jagsti said:
I thought the rake at FT was a fair bit higher than Stars?

I think that's only at 10nl and lower.

Munchrs · Jul 7, 2008

Jagsti said:
I thought the rake at FT was a fair bit higher than Stars?

do they take a higher rake %?

BelgoSuisse · Jul 7, 2008

Jagsti said:
I thought the rake at FT was a fair bit higher than Stars?

Only at 10NL where it's double Stars's.

25NL and higher, it's exactly the same as Stars: $.05 per $1 in pot capped at $3.

vanquish · Jul 7, 2008

WVHillbilly said:
I only have experience with FT rakeback at 25NL and I have averaged just over 1BB/100 each month in RB since I started. So unless your SNE, FT + RB > Stars + FPPs.

wrong, it's unless you're SN, not SNE.

WVHillbilly · Jul 7, 2008

Not according to Zach's calculations above. He shows less that 1BB/100 at SN.

Jagsti · Jul 7, 2008

Yep, I think SN equates to around 23% RB for 100nl games. If you play more volume and achieve some milestones bonuses, then your getting up there for +27%.

Jagsti · Jul 7, 2008

Also don't forget you can concierge at a rate of 1.61c/fpp

vanquish · Jul 7, 2008

SN itself doesn't really equate to much RB, it's the play while you are SN that really matters.

seeing as how SNE is almost impossible at 100nl, it is safe to assume SN as serious RB for limits >= 200nl

vanquish · Jul 7, 2008

plus the good RB is in tournament tickets and concierge service, not cash bonuses

WVHillbilly · Jul 7, 2008

Gotcha. I just based my answer on this:

(2:18:26 PM) zachvachall: so at 200nl it'd be $7.50/1k at bronze
(2:18:41 PM) zachvachall: but at platinum it'd be $18.75/1k
(2:18:55 PM) zachvachall: $26.25/1k at sn

That's only .65BB/100.

ph_il · Jul 7, 2008

Very nice/interesting read. You two make me want to play ring games more now...

BelgoSuisse · Jul 7, 2008

Just got home from work and checked my PT database.

So at 25NL at Full Tilt I get about 0.9BB/100 in rakeback. That's $4.5/1000 hands.

Besides, if you want to take everything into account, playing FR, you get about 8 full tilt points per $, which is worth about .04 cents. Since FTPs are deducted from you MGR, that's only 0.03 with rakeback, but it does mean you effectively get 30% rakeback in total. 33% when you play during happy hours. Even more if you take the ironman promotion into account.

Jagsti · Jul 7, 2008

OK, just worked out some figures. I'm not entirely sure how HEM works out how much I've paid in rake ie MGR or whatever, but anyways. At platinum based of Fpps earned and rake paid, I'm earning like 23% in rakeback if ya like. If I multiplied it by the SN multiplier then my RB would be like 34%. I think this may be a little high, and may have something to do with how HEM calculates it.

Just looked at a thread on another forum and it confirms that at SN level the equivalent RB would be around 28%. This increases significantly the more milestones you earn. So if you get the 200k milestone bonus of $1250, it pushes RB upto the low 30's.

WVHillbilly · Jul 7, 2008

Something I hadn't considered is the effect of the rake being capped at $3. This would limit RB the higher you go in stakes when expressed as BB/100. So RB may well be closer to Zach's numbers at the same level.

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