Conspiracy Theory About Advice

mugge47 · Nov 30, 2016

I don't know if this is just me, but does anyone ever feel like sometimes the advice they see is purposely bad in order to trick players into playing less well... Honestly some advice is good but I think the best way to improve skill comes from practice and preferred play style

PapaC · Nov 30, 2016

Hi mugge47 and welcome to Cardschat. Have you got some advice from a CC member/members like that? What was the advice you got about? You are the first one I've heard say something like that.I been a member here for over 3 years and the only thing I've used to better my game is the advice I received from CC members and a lot of time at the tables. That advice is what I took to the game, and 90% of it worked like a charm, and the other 10% I set to the side in case I found a need for it. Let us know more about it ok. And give us a chance to give you some advice that works. GL to you

Odysseus101 · Nov 30, 2016

I agree with PapaC above, I'd find it hard to believe that unless the advice given was literally during the play that the advisor should stand to gain nothing by giving bad advice on purpose. I mean seriously, I'd have to give you a ton of bad advice, hoping you take it, then follow you around on whatever site you're playing and bet hard against you in order for my actions to have any payoff. It seems bizarre to me.

Kenzie 96 · Nov 30, 2016

Most all of us overrate our skill level, so most often you are getting well intentioned advice that the advisor believes to be good advice. Best to remember that most free advice isn't worth what you payed for it.

PapaC · Dec 1, 2016

Odysseus101 said:
I agree with PapaC above, I'd find it hard to believe that unless the advice given was literally during the play that the advisor should stand to gain nothing by giving bad advice on purpose. I mean seriously, I'd have to give you a ton of bad advice, hoping you take it, then follow you around on whatever site you're playing and bet hard against you in order for my actions to have any payoff. It seems bizarre to me.

Odysseus that's a damn good reply to our new member here. The way you put it, the advisor would have to go through more bull shit than the one he gave the advice to. But it don't make any sense to me. And being for real, I don't believe it, but I can have what I believe changed by the truth. And another thing I see all the time, is this same kind of post clamming this or that, and we ask some question for him to answer, but more times than none, they don't get answered, and the same goes for the poster. I want answers from the poster, not one time posts and he's gone. For example,I don't remember what it was about but I'm thinking it could have been a negative post about CC. Anyway. the tread got real long with every reply you can think of. Actually we were having some fun, and I would have felt bad for the old boy if he come back and tried to defended himself after reading all of our replies. So we will see if this new member will simply tell us who he's talking about, and what that advice was. One more little thing. Did our new friend receive the advice awhile back and used it 5 or 6 times and lost every time. Or did this confused player received the advice and tried it once and lost one time. Oh well, sometimes you never find out the truth, and it's not even worth the time I just used to give my opinion.

roddypra · Dec 1, 2016

This is too personal. The interesting thing is you get the tips that offer you and synchronize the good with your game. For each one has its own style of play. For example, they say that Q and 5 are not good cards, but I love playing these cards, they already gave me very good results. This is my style of play. Take what you think is right and put it in your game, if you favor it, you go on, but if you see that it is not right, it changes. You're no match, you do it.

roddypra · Dec 1, 2016

But when I started reading his topic, I thought it was something else. If the site itself conspires for you to lose hahahha. And yes, I think it conspires. Sometimes the villager is able to crack right on the flop, then you get two pairs on the river, just the trap for you to bet higher hahahhaah. Just to bring another subject to the topic hahaha

CriesuaID · Dec 1, 2016

Kenzie 96 said:
Most all of us overrate our skill level [...]

Exactly! This is the problem. Everyone think that is good enough to be the next Poker Star.

Diegol · Dec 1, 2016

I think all the advices are good but depending on what type of player you are,for example i consider myself a tight player, and i read an advice that says play more hands in early game open your range or whatever,if i don't know who to play those hands that advice probably go against me, but it's not a bad advice, just don't go with the way that i play,poker is a very complex game and there is a lot of ways to play it, and they are all right but not for all the players.

Alex Sentsov · Dec 1, 2016

Tips look. Do what you need. Practice is the best thing. Then he will give advice.

PapaC · Dec 1, 2016

Well what's up with the player that started this tread. No don't shock me with the info that he is no where to be found and I guess we will never know what was behind his post. Whatever he said has nothing to do with CC as a hole, and I been here a good while and I've never run into anything a member said about taking advice and using that advice at the table and he lost so the advice has to be false. Now just how stupid does that make us think the BE GONE NOW being) not called a player, not really a member.So in my twisted opinion the poor boy picked up something he heard from some place and figured it was good advice that worked for those doing the talking so it had to work for him too.If I could I would bet $100 that his problem started at one of those almost closed for ever forums,and for nothing else to do. and this is what I can't hardly understand. He come here joined and went to any place and dump it here. Well I sure would have liked to get to him and the lie before hand, and up front I could have let him know that CC could care less about his motive and in my nice way I could help him find the door and asure him that there was no place here that could not even come close to a thought that he could be repaired. THE END with some left over laughs to help me endure such an empty App and even the empty place inside of me that has to be filled or the feeling and thoughts would never stop.

Demagog · Dec 1, 2016

Tips and how advisers are different, hence they should be treated differently ...

Zorba · Dec 1, 2016

CriesuaID said:
Exactly! This is the problem. Everyone think that is good enough to be the next Poker Star.

And you need the ability to separate the shitty advice and the good advice, most people in a thread will point out the shitty advice if it is given.

:top:

Erpherk · Dec 1, 2016

I have considered the possibility of this, but i doubt it.. we all adopt a style we are comfortable playing and won't do silly things we disagree with anyway. But is always in the realm of possibility.

wagon596 · Dec 1, 2016

I suck with advice or without advice. I keep trying to play cash games for over 10 years and still get beat upped.

BentleyBoy · Dec 2, 2016

Hmmm! Having taken a few moments to consider this, here is my contribution.

There is no such thing as good or bad advice in poker. There is simply advice. It is the way you interpret and use that advice in any given situation that will determine whether it creates a good or bad outcome.

For example, the advice to play AA pre flop slowly may be advice that if applied can create a good outcome, dependant of course on the board and what the other players have in their hands that may or may not improve with the board. Similarly, playing AA pre flop really aggressively may be advice that if applied correctly can create a good outcome, dependent of course on what the other players do and what cards they have in their hands and how they may or may not improve with the board.

Essentially, advice is what it is. It is what you do with it that can impact on the outcome of your actions and it is the outcome that is good or bad, and not the advice.

PapaC · Dec 2, 2016

With out have a thought, an opinion I could take to my opinion to my best friend known as THE OPINION changer. And it sad but true that my friend has never made even one player change their opinion even if the said opinion is by far the dumbest shit we all have heard at least 200 times,Well when the want to break something hits I consider his dumb ass it always ends with me comparing his problems with mine and to tell the truth there are to many time I have ended up on bottom The answer now IS NO And that answer applies to ever question ask within a half mile around here Some times it better to make things simple and deal But there are those that no matter what has a drive that will; keep that one move in mind that has made several highly thought of player plus our in house I WILL BREAK IT player look like new boys in the middle of some players that lets their play and winnings speak for them, I been sitting thinking and writing this, adding to that so all the lies I put in there has to trip up 2 or 3 and that gives us free tickets to do something a real show that's way past funny oh and everyone understand that any kind of nasty is fair.

milka1605 · Dec 2, 2016

I never listen to other people's advice. I hope only on their experience. And if I'm wrong then I'll only blame yourself and no one more. Any improper action also adds to the experience. Yet I see how opponents play and if they bring their positive actions.

BlackJesus · Dec 2, 2016

Of course, especially if its advice from pokersite and especially if it sounds like "play as if you do not care" - "suggestions" like these are still out there.

There are some good advices but for those you have to look. For general population there mostly is basic theory.

antonis32123 · Dec 2, 2016

You are a very suspicious mind

. I guess if the advice is not good , in most cases it's becase they don't want to harm your gameplay but they don't know sth better to say to you . I listen to every opinion , but especially to the ''old'' players' that I know they have experience and have played countless hands

Ofcourse I distinguish the irrational analysis/advice sometimes when I see it and the only thing I might say is that I disagree

mugge47 · Dec 2, 2016

Thanks for all your replies! I guess I was just really asking/surveying how closely people follow others advice. The advice I read is good, don't get me wrong, but poker is always changing and I think its up to the player to be creative enough to make their own strategy work

mugge47 · Dec 2, 2016

PapaC said:
Well what's up with the player that started this tread. No don't shock me with the info that he is no where to be found and I guess we will never know what was behind his post. Whatever he said has nothing to do with CC as a hole, and I been here a good while and I've never run into anything a member said about taking advice and using that advice at the table and he lost so the advice has to be false. Now just how stupid does that make us think the BE GONE NOW being) not called a player, not really a member.So in my twisted opinion the poor boy picked up something he heard from some place and figured it was good advice that worked for those doing the talking so it had to work for him too.If I could I would bet $100 that his problem started at one of those almost closed for ever forums,and for nothing else to do. and this is what I can't hardly understand. He come here joined and went to any place and dump it here. Well I sure would have liked to get to him and the lie before hand, and up front I could have let him know that CC could care less about his motive and in my nice way I could help him find the door and asure him that there was no place here that could not even come close to a thought that he could be repaired. THE END with some left over laughs to help me endure such an empty app and even the empty place inside of me that has to be filled or the feeling and thoughts would never stop.

hahaha what?

mugge47 · Dec 2, 2016

(new members can only post 10 posts/24 hours!!!!!)

acemenow · Dec 2, 2016

Odysseus101 said:
I agree with PapaC above, I'd find it hard to believe that unless the advice given was literally during the play that the advisor should stand to gain nothing by giving bad advice on purpose. I mean seriously, I'd have to give you a ton of bad advice, hoping you take it, then follow you around on whatever site you're playing and bet hard against you in order for my actions to have any payoff. It seems bizarre to me.

Some interesting replies here I think I appreciate Odysseus101 statement the most. Seems like a lot of work to target someone.

While I am trying to become adept at poker I qualify most of my posts with the fact that I am not a proven successful player(aka not an expert but...).

The other thing is, given the varied play on the wsop it does not appear that there is any "Right" way of playing. Watching (forget the pro's name) make a call that was insane because he had a "feeling" and then watched as his card hit with like a 4-6% chance is bewildering at best.

Another example I can think of is this young guy few years ago hitting a very low pair (2 or 3) was not shaken at all by larger bets from his opponent (H2H) that had a better starting hand called flop and turn and even river to win the pot.. Commentators initially stated the guy was nuts and extremely lucky. Phil Helmuth piped in the kid had a great read!

My point is you can get conflicting advice does not necessarily mean one is wrong vs the other, you have to learn how to incorporate said advice into your style of play and if you can't, maybe that advice is not for you, so look elsewhere or figure something else out for yourself.

Just my opinion.

John A · Dec 2, 2016

I personally try and give the worst possible advice simply because I don't have anything to lose from doing it, and everything to gain. So yes... I think in general most people who are even half way smart now a days try and give ubber bad advice to screw with your heads and get you to play bad.

Don't EVER listen to anyone without understanding the WHY and really analyzing it to make sure it fully makes sense. If you're regurgitating what people are doing or saying, you're never going to be good at this game. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't mimic some play, but you need to understand the WHY always.

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