Cooler: Definition?

Well, looks like we are zeroing in on a good definition

It seems agreed that the coolee has a very good hand, to great hand.

I'll add that a bad read is involved. I don't like any definition that includes all in PF. I prefer where one player is pushing and getting flat called believing he/she is ahead only to be blindsided at showdown. Thus the bad read.

aliengenius said:

Cooler: unavoidably getting your money in bad with a strong hand.

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Very good definition, and AK is very avoidable in certain situations. I think that for a cooler to occur, it should be unavoidable in all situations.

I found what I believe to be a little cooler. Awkwardly played by villain.

Full Tilt poker game #4631845506: Table Strato Jet - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:27:42 ET - 2007/12/26
Seat 1: Michaelmap85 ($7.05)
Seat 2: racecar014 ($11.55)
Seat 3: royalburrito24 ($8.20)
Seat 4: MateAmaargo ($2.20)
Seat 5: K-TIME ($7.30), is sitting out
Seat 6: YESHBOOM ($9.85)
Seat 7: firemangreg ($1.20)
Seat 8: Caer58 ($4.20)
Seat 9: icekurtis ($1.40)
icekurtis posts the small blind of $0.05
Michaelmap85 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to royalburrito24 [3s 3c]
racecar014 raises to $0.35
royalburrito24 calls $0.35
MateAmaargo folds
YESHBOOM folds
firemangreg folds
Caer58 folds
icekurtis folds
Michaelmap85 calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Ts 9s Qd]
Michaelmap85 checks
racecar014 has 15 seconds left to act
racecar014 checks
royalburrito24 checks
*** TURN *** [Ts 9s Qd] [3h]
Michaelmap85 checks
racecar014 checks
royalburrito24 bets $0.25
Michaelmap85 has 15 seconds left to act
Michaelmap85 folds
racecar014 calls $0.25
*** RIVER *** [Ts 9s Qd 3h] [7s]
racecar014 checks
royalburrito24 has 15 seconds left to act
royalburrito24 bets $1
racecar014 calls $1
K-TIME has returned
*** SHOW DOWN ***
royalburrito24 shows [3s 3c] three of a kind, Threes
racecar014 shows [Kh Js] a straight, King high
racecar014 wins the pot ($3.25) with a straight, King high

Gus and Danile N, that was a cooler (I still laugh when I think about Gus's last comment) "I wasn't happy, when I seen that first 5 but, what a guy"
Cooler is pair over pair, and then set over set, and then boat over quads, more or less the bottom pair beating you when in all fairness you had the lead up untill the river.

royalburrito24 said:

Very good definition, and AK is very avoidable in certain situations. I think that for a cooler to occur, it should be unavoidable in all situations.

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Nothing is unavoidable in all situations. There are no coolers ever by that definition. You really want to avoid absolutes like that in poker and in poker thinking.

Here is a definition I found, that I agree with.

COOLER: This is a hand that you lose (usually a large pot) with that cannot be helped. For example...

You have KK. Your opponent has AA. Flop comes AKK, the turn card a 3, and the River card an Ace.

This example is extreme, but you get the idea. There is no way that either one of you will be folding this hand, and therefore you lose a large pot.

edit: I thought a cooler was when you have a monster of hand that you cant fold (because you're pot commited, the sheer strengh of your hand or whatever), but you run into a slightly better hand.

EX: You on a flop of 562K2, you hold 55522 but your opponent just has you beat with 66622.

philthy said:

edit: I thought a cooler was when you have a monster of hand that you cant fold (because you're pot commited, the sheer strengh of your hand or whatever), but you run into a slightly better hand.

EX: You on a flop of 462K2, you hold 55522 but your opponent just has you beat with 66622.

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Philthy, I am not quite sure I get what you are trying to say???

royalburrito24 said:

Philthy, I am not quite sure I get what you are trying to say???

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Sorry, that shouldve been a 5 on the board.

Here's my definition of a "cooler"

Notice chip swing:

PokerStars Game #14122347608: Tournament #71071352, $0.25+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/12/26 - 22:44:28 (ET)
Table '71071352 401' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: deltagreen2 (2200 in chips)
Seat 2: 7thstreet (6975 in chips)
Seat 3: charlie160 (420 in chips)
Seat 4: KYLEADAM (1535 in chips)
Seat 5: lobsterking1 (3450 in chips)
Seat 6: pollus33 (520 in chips)
Seat 7: choblar (5180 in chips)
Seat 8: arahel_jazz (13370 in chips)
Seat 9: steviekid113 (1103 in chips) is sitting out
pollus33: posts small blind 50
choblar: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to arahel_jazz [Ks Kd]
arahel_jazz: raises 300 to 400
steviekid113: folds
deltagreen2: folds
7thstreet: raises 300 to 700
charlie160: folds
KYLEADAM has timed out
KYLEADAM: folds
KYLEADAM is sitting out
lobsterking1: folds
pollus33: folds
choblar: raises 300 to 1000
arahel_jazz: raises 3800 to 4800
7thstreet: calls 4100
choblar: raises 380 to 5180 and is all-in
arahel_jazz: calls 380
KYLEADAM has returned
7thstreet: calls 380
*** FLOP *** [Qd Ac 3s]
arahel_jazz: checks
7thstreet: bets 1400
arahel_jazz: raises 1400 to 2800
7thstreet: calls 395 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Qd Ac 3s] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [Qd Ac 3s Ts] [5h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
arahel_jazz: shows [Ks Kd] (a pair of Kings)
7thstreet: shows [Qh Qs] (three of a kind, Queens)
arahel_jazz said, "h"
7thstreet collected 3590 from side pot
choblar: shows [4s 4d] (a pair of Fours)
7thstreet collected 15590 from main pot
arahel_jazz said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 19180 Main pot 15590. Side pot 3590. | Rake 0
Board [Qd Ac 3s Ts 5h]
Seat 1: deltagreen2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 7thstreet showed [Qh Qs] and won (19180) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 3: charlie160 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: KYLEADAM folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: lobsterking1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: pollus33 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: choblar (big blind) showed [4s 4d] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 8: arahel_jazz showed [Ks Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 9: steviekid113 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I have another question to pose about coolers:
If you make the nuts, and get it all in on the river, and someone turns over the nuts, the same hand as you, is that considered to be a cooler as well?
Let me know what you think.

To Arahel Jazz's post: Badly misplayed on the flop, hardly a cooler

A cooler is when two people are tied to monster hands, usually full house vs. full house or quads or straight flush

I had one recently last month, deepstack vs. deepstack in a $3 rebuy.
77 vs. 66
Board is 8 7 4 6 6

Villain bet the flop, I raised four times cause of the flush draw, he calls.
We both check turn.
The river lands a 6, making it even more difficult for me to get away as the river put a flush on the board and the villain bets out at this point. I reraise, he goes all in, I call. Now I can say I have experienced my first runner runner quad suckout.

How about being the chip leader in the BB, FT, all fold to you except 2 that called. I have AK os, all in to steal and get called by a9 os and 65 os and the flop comes down 234? Is that a cooler??

Biffle16 said:

How about being the chip leader in the BB, FT, all fold to you except 2 that called. I have AK os, all in to steal and get called by a9 os and 65 os and the flop comes down 234? Is that a cooler??

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No, that's a bad beat, same as jazz's hand.

A cooler is when you get your money in when behind, because circumstances and the strength of your hand dictate that you can not fold.

lottomode777 said:

To Arahel Jazz's post: Badly misplayed on the flop, hardly a cooler

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OK, I'll bite... what could I have done differently? Fold? Flat out call?

COOLER: This is a hand that you lose (usually a large pot) with that cannot be helped. For example...

You have KK. Your opponent has AA. Flop comes AKK, the turn card a 3, and the River card an Ace.

This example is extreme, but you get the idea. There is no way that either one of you will be folding this hand, and therefore you lose a large pot.

Apply this definition to the above posts and come to your own conclusions.

Peace

riffpoker said:

COOLER: This is a hand that you lose (usually a large pot) with that cannot be helped. For example...

You have KK. Your opponent has AA. Flop comes AKK, the turn card a 3, and the River card an Ace.

This example is extreme, but you get the idea. There is no way that either one of you will be folding this hand, and therefore you lose a large pot.

Apply this definition to the above posts and come to your own conclusions.

Peace

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You totally just copy-pasted Lo-Dog's previous post.

Seems like a pretty dumb thing to do.

What is the forum etiquette on this peoples?

Sorry bout that..... I got the definition from an online poker dictionary and didn't know another member posted it already.

Peace

iwouldprefernotto said:

You totally just copy-pasted Lo-Dog's previous post.

Seems like a pretty dumb thing to do.

What is the forum etiquette on this peoples?

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Now now, do not be mean, it was an honest mistake.
And as for forum etiquette, do not question anybody's intelligence here.

But some advice for the beginners here: I still encourage new posters to read through other posts before submitting the same post.

take a look at any of the hands that win the bad beat jackpots on sites out there...Those are cooler hands....8888 vs 10101010....8910jQs vs ROYALE w/CHEESE...u get my drift....COOLERS!!

i aggre with RB24 a cooler is usually were you think yuor way ahead and theyre just a little bit more ahead...like the example AA against KK or hitting a set of 2s and someone hits a set of 3s....

riffpoker said:

Sorry bout that..... I got the definition from an online poker dictionary and didn't know another member posted it already.

Peace

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ooooooooh sorry dude I didn't know you got that from a website.

I thought you just decided to copy paste a post you agreed with.

thats totally fine just try to glance through all the posts before making a post in the future.

and i am getting OWNED in the polls.

iwouldprefernotto said:

and i am getting OWNED in the polls.

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More like pwn3d.

iwouldprefernotto said:

and i am getting OWNED in the polls.

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I voted for you, so you win.

aliengenius said:

I voted for you, so you win.

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Although I have a lot of respect for you AG, here is a situation where I must disagree.