Could you lay a full house down?

Daleyboy1234 · Aug 21, 2009

Ive just seen an incident where one player hit a boat on the flop on a 668 board and when a 2 came on the turn the other player hit too.

I could lay down on a board like KK677 if i had a 7 but could you lay down a full house where it required two of your cards to be used?

Mortis · Aug 21, 2009

Depends on which cards were on the board, and what the action was pre-flop and when the board paired and such. It's difficult to lay down a FH.. I have before.

smd173 · Aug 21, 2009

Play Omaha and you have lay down worse boats all the time.

ckingriches · Aug 21, 2009

I'm not sure if I've ever layed down a boat before, but I've certainly lost to a bigger one. I've also lost a boat to four of a kind a number of times; those can hurt pretty bad, especially if your boat can't be beat by any other boat.

It used to be I'd have trouble simply calling a bet when I have a boat, instead raising or re-raising as if my boat was unbeatable. Now I'm not too insistent about getting all my chips in if bigger boats are possible, or even likely based on betting patterns and preflop action.

cAPSLOCK · Aug 22, 2009

In Omaha.. all day long. In hold'em... rarely.. usually on a double paired board where its obvious they have the bigger card.

Crossfade · Aug 22, 2009

CaptZeebo says no.

cAPSLOCK · Aug 22, 2009

CaptZeebo is a freaking dweeb.. Also a genius.

Igeso · Aug 22, 2009

Well, Daniel Negreanu couldn't lay this down... I couldn't do this too.
YouTube - Full House VS Quads - Season 5 Coming Soon!

tubur69 · Aug 22, 2009

Well if Daniel Negreanu could not lay down his full boat( and he's a great reader) I would say no full boat lay down for me.:deal:

M33K3R · Aug 22, 2009

If I would lay down a boat, I wold have to have a great read on my opponent, and actually trust my read for once. I still think I would be very hard to lay down a boat though.

Crossfade · Aug 22, 2009

Well here's one guy - YouTube - World Series of Poker WSOP 2008 Best Fold Ever

luckytvguy · Aug 22, 2009

that is a problem disscussed in many poker books.i think its not difficult to play fullhouse.

XPOKERCHIC · Aug 22, 2009

Need more information about the chip stacks, close to the money, stuff like that will make me fold a boat, if I don't have the best boat. If the board was AAKK7, if I have 77 then there are a lot of hands that beat me. Someone slow rolling an A or K would have me beat after I receive my boat on the river. I would probably want to see what they have, if I have them covered, I would definitely call. X

rongshihong · Aug 22, 2009

Crossfade said:
Well here's one guy - YouTube - World Series of Poker WSOP 2008 Best Fold Ever

I have no idea how this guy laid his hand down..
It's the best fold I ever saw..

Exit141RTe1 · Aug 22, 2009

i could not lay it down either. He must of thought the other guy had p10's.

Nice hand either way.

Monoxide · Aug 22, 2009

smd173 said:
Play Omaha and you have lay down worse boats all the time.

I try my best to avoid even getting the low boat, I cry if its anything but top set. Pref jj-aa

pantin007 · Aug 22, 2009

Monoxide said:
I try my best to avoid even getting the low boat, I cry if its anything but top set. Pref jj-aa

nit everyone knows hands like J822o are the most fun to play

losts0ul · Aug 22, 2009

Depending on the board and how much chips is in the pot, but its something good players should learn to do.

Dwilius · Aug 22, 2009

Well both those videos were sets higher than the possible trips...and except possibly maybe in an extreme circumstance with an exceptional read would just be crazy to fold.

Lesser full houses, can fold them on rare occasions when a tight villain has made it clear they can't have a worse hand. I think I folded once on something like a K44JJ board with Jx because it was checked to river and shoved by a nitty, nutmining opponent...so either I was chopping minus rake or beaten.

Wouldn't fold with any amount of money invested though, and this was only against a very predictable bad opponent. Folding fullhouses is generally not a good idea, as you are more likely to make a terrible mistake than a great fold. Most reasonable fold of/c would be on two paired boards where its clear villain has the top card.

LarryT503 · Aug 24, 2009

I could, but I'd have to be in a position where it was pretty likely a better hand was out there or folding would give me a good chance of finishing in the money.

Daleyboy1234 · Aug 25, 2009

This happened at my table this morning, Thought i would put it in here as i thought it was appropriate

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP2 ($25.50)
CO ($25)
Button ($5.55)
SB ($8.95)
BB ($20.25)
UTG ($14.05)
UTG+1 ($10)
Hero (MP1) ($26.55)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J

, A

2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, BB checks
Flop: ($1.25) 2

, 6

(5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.50, Hero folds, MP2 raises to $1.75, 2 folds, BB calls $1.25
Turn: ($4.75) 8

(2 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets $2.50, BB raises to $18.25 (All-In), MP2 calls $15.75
River: ($41.25) 9

(2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $41.25 | Rake: $2.05
Results:
BB had 8

, 8

(full house, eights over sixes).
MP2 had 2

, 2

(full house, twos over sixes).
Outcome: BB won $39.20

PS dont question my play with AJ i knew i'd made a mistake as soon as i had played it so thats irrelevant.

kybcat · Aug 25, 2009

it would be hard too, but it would depend on how your stack is and if you can read the player right

Az__Avfc · Aug 26, 2009

At the moment I don't think I could unless it was pretty obvious that the other guy had me beat. I wouldnt lay down a full house in which I had a pocket pair but what are the chances of being beat there. Two full houses is a terrible situation to have if yours is weaker as the pot is bound to be made very big, its one of those situations in which you could be bust out very easily. I'd have a lot of respect of the abilties of a player that could fold a full house.

Roller · Aug 26, 2009

NL Holdem

In tournament play I could if the situation was correct.
Situational:
Situational Read > Chips Stacks > Board Texture > Player Images > Near ITM > etc ....

In a Ring Game I think it would be very difficult, but could be done if you had the proper read on the situation.

Good Luck with your Full House lay downs.

BM0529 · Aug 26, 2009

Could be done against someone who you know is a tight player and would never make an all-in move on the board unless they had a boat and you have THE lowest or one of the lowest possible boats out there but its pretty hard...I did see a player lay down 5s full of Aces recently on a board of 3-5-7-A-A...the flop was 3-5-7 up against A-7 and the opposing player proceeded to go runner runner to take the lead...that may be an easier one to fold...if the situation was changed and say it was 3-5-7-9-9 its probably much harder to fold....its very believable someone may have played A-7, A-3 or A-5...its a bit harder to put someone on 9-3 9-5 or 9-7.

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