Do you ever put an opponent on quads?

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Speaking strictly about boards with two instances of a card, not three.

I notice that no poker strategist ever discusses the possibility of the opponent having quads in these positions. I also noticed that I myself don't think I've ever put an opponent on this hand. Quads are just too rare to ever fold under the assumption that you're beat by them. Have you ever done it?
 
guccipix said:
Speaking strictly about boards with two instances of a card, not three.

I notice that no poker strategist ever discusses the possibility of the opponent having quads in these positions. I also noticed that I myself don't think I've ever put an opponent on this hand. Quads are just too rare to ever fold under the assumption that you're beat by them. Have you ever done it?
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Pre flop folds to me in the CO i bet out 15 folds to the villian in the BB and he 3 bets 35 and considered folding but Im familiar with the villian and his play. Having position I Opt to call. Im holding AK . The flop is A7A he checks bet 50 he calls. Turn comes a 7 and now I'm hoping he has a 7. He checks and at this point I figure he has either an Ace or a 7 so check back hoping to induce some kind of pot sized river bet. The river is a brick. He tanks for a moment and bet out $20 I to $120. It was a strange bet from this player. I tank for a few and then cut out my raise just before I said raise. I thought what happens if he raise? A worse hand would not call a my raise and a better hand isn't going to just call. I call the $20 and he shows pocket 7s. I was very happy feeling I got away losing the minimum. I don't know if I put him on having quads but it worked out for me.
 
To be honest, i,ve never though about that. Usually, i can put somebody on a three of a kind. But quads? I don,t think so. Maybe, this is just because usually i don,t see quads often in the game.
 
Only in this instance....

Flop is Q33 and 1st to act is betting in a 4-way pot.

Turn and River QQ

I put him on the Q and folded.

He had one player look him up so we could see the quads.

Good luck !
 
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To be honest, i,ve never though about that. Usually, i can put somebody on a three of a kind. But quads? I don,t think so. Maybe, this is just because usually i don,t see quads often in the game.
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Like I said, I can't say that I put him on quads. I think my actual conclusion was he knew I had aces full and he thought I would raise what looks suspiciously like a block bet 7s full might make and from out of position. So he was certainly hoping for me to raise if I come to that decision. Then i just heard Gabe Caplans voice in the back of my head "i don't see him raising here because a worse hand is never just calling". Discussing the hand later the villian and concluded that the way it played out was a classic example of the power and importance of position. Had it been the other way around I very likely get stacked.
 
Correction. Gabe Caplains voice said "I just don't see him raising here. A worse hand Is NOT calling a raise"
 
I have been in several hands over the years where I suspected opponent had quads. In some of the situations, I played well enough to not raise, but couldn't find a fold.
 
This happens really rarely. Probably, this probability can be ignored.
 
In poker always expect the unexpected, so quads
are always a possibility.
 
at least until now i havent lose to someone with quads. so i can say i never put them .
 
With 3 same cards on the board maybe I am putting my opponent on quads. With only two, never.

But you have to consider a thing. What stakes are we talking about?
Somebody shoving just his 100 bucks on the river on my big river bet, I can say its a set or just a bluff or even a pair or whatever.

But look at this situation.
https://youtu.be/vJBQKjhj2cg
While Negreanu makes the call because he can afford it and he is such a calling station, in that stakes you cant just dont think the possibility that your opponent has quads. Of course he is having the nut full house, so what hands can really checkraise him all in on the river except quads? If Negreanu played the same hand at the typical online low-mid stakes quads would have never crossed his mind.
 
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Yes we have all lost huge pots holding the AA on a A33 flop only to lose to opponent with 33 software likes to put these hands in once in a while.
 
if a person has to have a 2 card four of a kind to beat me then hes gonna have to show it to me. im not folding second best hand to that.
 
I don't expect them to have quads, but if it's a possibility, I take into consideration the way the opponent is betting once the cards of interest have been laid down. Depends on the cards I'd be holding as well. I wouldn't call unless I had at least a full house or better.
 
I do not put anyone on quads - it's just very unlikely that anyone could have it, that hand is one of the rearest. Altough, Im not sure if this strategy is correct.
 
guccipix said:
Speaking strictly about boards with two instances of a card, not three.

I notice that no poker strategist ever discusses the possibility of the opponent having quads in these positions. I also noticed that I myself don't think I've ever put an opponent on this hand. Quads are just too rare to ever fold under the assumption that you're beat by them. Have you ever done it?
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Why not complain about why strategists don’t bother speaking about Royals.
The answer is obvious, just like Royals, Quads are the second rarest hands to make in the game, they do occur but are far and few between. So putting a strategy in place makes absolutely no sense.
 
I have put people on 4 of a kind when there are three cards but never two. I normally put them on a set which normally puts you out of the hand, depending on their play and reads that you are able to pick up from positional spots.

I normally like for the individual to define their hand before I get too far ahead of myself thinking that the person didn't hit. The way that I do this is re-raise or bet into them with a perfect bet that defines their hand.
 
rarely. Basically when 3 cards of the same kind are open. 95% I do not think about it
 
to rare that I ever think about it. But if the flop does not give much value-hands like 266 and an aggressiv player raises as usual, and i tight player calls , And also calls a worthless card on the turn like 3 from the aggressor..I'd give him a set. But I feel happy for those players who got the quads 🙂 Because they give much value 🙂
 
It's completely situational based on how the board is set but a general mindset is to never ignore the possibilities as your opponent could clearly have anything. If you're not confident in what you have then rather play around his hand and try liquidate your play as best as possible.
 
on a 2 card board, I always calculate it in as a possibility. The thing is, the chances of them actually having it has never changed my decision.

now I know you said not a 3 card board, but even then, it is very rare that I would fold the boat when holding pocket pair or T+. Assuming the other cards on the board are lower then T. Granted I did do it once. It was because the player was very passive, and out of all the hands that I played with him. I bet him off the river about 80% of the time it got that far, and the other 20% he called. I had AA. and it was not a 3bet pot cause my raise was called preflop. He was in the blinds, and I was EP, and 99 came on the flop. Dry, unconnected board, he checked I bet, he called like always, J on the turn, that gave a straight and flush possibility, he bets the pot. Thinking he probably hit his J I call, or the smaller possibility he is holding a J9. For him to bet. He had to have J9, but I was willing to see it at showdown. I call hoping for a check, check river. 9 on the river. Instant shove....now I know that's a sign of weakness, but this guy never bet the river ever, even with straights on a possible flush board. And all the other times he instant bet he was holding a set on the flop. So in this situation I knew he had a 9. So I folded after tanking. Obviously since he was a terrible player and wanted everyone to see his quards, along with his "advanced" check call on the flop, he showed....

I turned to the guy to my left (who was very quite and hard to read) and said, "I folded AA."

His eyes lit up and he smiled and said, "wow I couldn't have done that! Nice job!"

Lets just say I not only took all the players chips that hit his quards, but I took the guy to the left of me too. Since he tried to bet me off every hand after that. Made a lot of money that night.
 
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