Do you think that pros play differently on TV vs. Off TV?

Eugenius · Jun 22, 2009

I was just thinking about this the other day after watching last week's poker after dark. How many pro players do you think change their game up completely when they're on TV to advertise a false image to then be able to exploit later on in non-tv games? I think I'd certainly do that given the opportunity...

nc_royals · Jun 22, 2009

Im not sure if theyre play or strategy changes from non-TV to TV but I certainly think it changes some of their actions and behavior. Humberto Brenes, Phil Helmuth and others seem to really turn it on when that Camera is in front of them. But I guess if everyone was a reserved as Allen Cunningham or Chris Ferguson then the coverage wouldnt e as exciting for the casual fan.

thejuanupsman · Jun 22, 2009

I don't think they need to. TV coverage is so heavily edited for action that any image you get of how they play is skewed.

Poker Orifice · Jun 22, 2009

thejuanupsman said:
I don't think they need to. TV coverage is so heavily edited for action that any image you get of how they play is skewed.

"PokerAfterDark" actually shows every single hand... far different from other typical tournament poker coverage.

Poker Orifice · Jun 22, 2009

The players you typically see playing on PokerAfterDark have all played each other sooooo many times that they all have a pretty good idea of how they play and what moves they are typically capable of making... or not making.

PoochMasterFlex · Jun 22, 2009

I heard when phil ivey plays in atlantic city, he plays like a rock

NoWuckingFurries · Jun 22, 2009

They will inevitably behave differently...

bredstik · Jun 22, 2009

All I know is that the pros sure do seem to raise it up in early position a LOT with hands that the book would say you're supposed to fold.

Eugenius · Jun 22, 2009

bredstik said:
All I know is that the pros sure do seem to raise it up in early position a LOT with hands that the book would say you're supposed to fold.

"Sometimes you just gotta go with your gut."

Man. I've been brainwashed with TV.

SavagePenguin · Jun 22, 2009

Poker After Dark has a blind structure that is pretty passive, then gets really steep at the end. They do this to keep people around the first 3-4 days, and make sure it ends on day 5.

Because of with weird blind structure, and because there are only 6 seats, because they are playing other pros, they play *way* different than what you'll see in most tournaments.

Plus, yeah, there's going to be a little hotdogging for the camera.

Roller · Jun 22, 2009

I would agree they mix it up a bit more under the lights.

But not all players play different.
Take Allen and Jesus.
I think their play is the same in most situations.

Take advantage of any possible edge and exploit it.

langrealtor · Jun 22, 2009

I think that you have to play differently on TV to some extent. If you don't people will be able to see the strategies you use and for the big money players their playing style can not be revealed.

PC69 · Jun 22, 2009

SavagePenguin said:
Poker After Dark has a blind structure that is pretty passive, then gets really steep at the end. They do this to keep people around the first 3-4 days, and make sure it ends on day 5.

Because of with weird blind structure, and because there are only 6 seats, because they are playing other pros, they play *way* different than what you'll see in most tournaments.

Plus, yeah, there's going to be a little hotdogging for the camera.

+1 to this. This is why i dont have four k posts lol. I try not to repeat something already said as I read every analysis on every thread i read. This is 100% correct i believe as i searched for this information before.

Plus hes quoted in my signature.. LMFAO jk just realized it...

coolnout · Jun 23, 2009

of course. I don't think anyone wants to potentially look bad on tv.

JulieK · Jun 24, 2009

They have to play different on tv. Live games are their livlihood, and they can't give millions of people roadmaps on how they play. I'd say they probably play in such a way on TV as to make people who think they know how they play from TV, those people will make mistakes against them in live play. For example, Hellmuth has established a TV image of playing tight as hell, and trying to trap with great hands. So, I'd guess that live, he plays off that image and plays aggresively to steal big pots with crap.

luckytvguy · Jun 24, 2009

I think that depend on how much the prize is for the winner.If the prize is big,then the pro player have to use the true strategy.If he dont,then that is because he wants to win something bigger.

TPC · Jun 24, 2009

Poker Orifice said:
"PokerAfterDark" actually shows every single hand... far different from other typical tournament poker coverage.

Poker After Dark shows most of the hands played, more so than most shows. However, it's still edited and every hand isn't shown. I think Danieal Negreanu said in his blog that they show like 90% of the hands played.

FishhookPhenom · Jun 24, 2009

I really think that they don't change there style. They play poker the way they play poker whether it's on t.v. off t.v. w/e the case may be.......remember its all for the love of the game

langrealtor · Jun 24, 2009

I do believe that there are certain players who try to create a persona to project an image to the public.

Four Dogs · Jun 24, 2009

I don't believe that the very best pro's play any differently on TV than they do off, especially in tournements where thousands or even millions of dollars are at stake. I believe that each of these pros have become comfortable with a certain style of play and to vary from that style for the sake of boosting their ego would be counter productive to their goal, namely, winning. That said I would think those same pros are be aware of others who might alter their play while the cameras are rolling for the sake of promoting a persona, or impressing the girls, and adjust their own play accordingly. I doubt very much Doyle Brunson gives a rat's moustache whether there's a camera or not.

Ubercroz · Jun 24, 2009

I would also think that they play enough people who are bad and rich that it doesn't really matter if they stick to their strategy on TV or not. I imagine that some of these guys could tell you what their cards are very hand and still bust people, partly because they are good and partly because there are enough dumb people out their with money to go around

NoWuckingFurries · Jun 24, 2009

langrealtor said:
I do believe that there are certain players who try to create a persona to project an image to the public.

I think this is what I was trying to convey. I'm not actually suggesting that they PLAY differently, more that they will inevitably BEHAVE differently.

I doubt very much Doyle Brunson gives a rat's moustache whether there's a camera or not.

He probably does - even Doyle Brunson has an ego.

left52side · Jun 24, 2009

Poker After Dark has a blind structure that is pretty passive, then gets really steep at the end. They do this to keep people around the first 3-4 days, and make sure it ends on day 5.

Acctually I could be wrong savage but I am pretty positive that poker after dark is all filmed in one day,and is one session.
Then they edit it and streach it out to last 5 days of material.

And to the OP I don't think the pros play much different on tv than they do in person.
There personality might be different but not there play.

KAR1982 · Jun 24, 2009

I think they probably do play different on tv, Thre is where millions of people could be watch and I don't think any of them wants a bad image. Although I saw some crazy play on there a few times.

I know if it were me, I'd play differently then I do online at times.

TPC · Jun 24, 2009

left52side said:
Acctually I could be wrong savage but I am pretty positive that poker after dark is all filmed in one day,and is one session.
Then they edit it and streach it out to last 5 days of material.

And to the OP I don't think the pros play much different on tv than they do in person.
There personality might be different but not there play.

It is all one session, unless they all wear the same clothes every day. I guess none of you watch PAD that much. I watch it or record it every night. It's all one Session and edited. And if you watch enough episodes you can tell.

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