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Message: [QUOTE="GCB, post: 1241235, member: 57911"] Trying win with a table full of players who don't care about their chips is sort of like trying to win a sailing contest in a hurricane. Yeah, the best sailor should win, but the best sailor is going to "win" by docking his boat and heading inland. As for the rest, the luckiest will "win." I've played some three-round online tournanaments where in the first hand of the round half the table goes all-in and the winner gets half the chips and then the ones who didn't go all-in have to take on the winner with a 1-to-5 stack ratio. I've won that way but you really have to get some cards and take out a couple of the other player's stacks to do it. Mostly it's just tedious. [/QUOTE]