Does Hachem have a point or not?

Stick66 · Jul 13, 2009

Hachem rants about hyper-aggro "internet kids":
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jnRgePrrJDrvrbN3DhLcsMDUyrsgD99DROL80

pantin007 · Jul 13, 2009

hachem doesnt understand the advantages of super, hyper aggressive play especially in an event like this where most ppl are nits

hachem is a nit

hachem is a douche

GeoffLacey · Jul 13, 2009

Hachem deserves to run good just one time

coolnout · Jul 13, 2009

Terrible rant. This is like making a Phil Hellmuth rant news.

Cheezymadman · Jul 13, 2009

The day the main event becomes a donkament is the day I shoot myself in the head.

Or just give up poker. Whichever one seems like an easier decision to make at the time.

swissarmy · Jul 13, 2009

I enjoyed watching his run to win the main event but since then whenever I have seen him on tv he comes off pretty arrogant and annoying...he does seem to whine a lot for a guy that won the main event and has put up some good results since then...I think maybe I just like a guy like Greg Raymer more who accepts his victory's and defeats with class and seems to live by the "that's poker" motto

Infamous1020 · Jul 13, 2009

Cheezymadman said:
The day the main event becomes a donkament is the day I shoot myself in the head.

Or just give up poker. Whichever one seems like an easier decision to make at the time.

dont wanna live too long i see

pantin007 · Jul 13, 2009

Cheezymadman said:
The day the main event becomes a donkament is the day I shoot myself in the head.

Or just give up poker. Whichever one seems like an easier decision to make at the time.

the main event is a donkament

Crystal Blue · Jul 13, 2009

This part makes some sense ..................

"Look, their style may be the way they play on the Internet and that's what they've got to do because they can open up another tournament every 10 seconds," Hachem said. "It's fine, right, but you're playing here, you got so much time, you got so much going for you and these guys just want to go to war every hand.

pantin007 · Jul 13, 2009

Crystal Blue said:
This part makes some sense ..................

"Look, their style may be the way they play on the Internet and that's what they've got to do because they can open up another tournament every 10 seconds," Hachem said. "It's fine, right, but you're playing here, you got so much time, you got so much going for you and these guys just want to go to war every hand.

the reason they "want to go to war every hand" is because no one else wants to, thus winning a lot of small pots and get action when having big hands

Wolfpack43ACC · Jul 13, 2009

Hachem is entitled to his opinion, and kind've agree because the proof is in the pudding. Even Sebok on his Twitter was laughing about all these over aggressive players getting it in with marginal hands, because they were freaking out because they were below the average chip count.

They were not playing their stack based on the blinds, and they could've been a lot more patient. It does take the fun out of the tournament when it seems like a turbo shovefest, when the structure doesn't force that kind of action at all so I can understand Joe's frustration.

Just the wrong time to express it IMO.

pantin007 · Jul 13, 2009

hachem cannot beat the over aggressive players and thus he is angry

listen, if it is so bad, why cant he exploit it?

rStormChaser · Jul 13, 2009

Hachem's and idiot he should STFU and work on his own game instead of complaining about how other people play. And besides would you rather be at a table full of hyper aggr donks or a table full of pros

swissarmy · Jul 13, 2009

he is still alive right?...he seems to have found a way to play them so why complain

Crystal Blue · Jul 13, 2009

pantin007 said:
hachem cannot beat the over aggressive players and thus he is angry

listen, if it is so bad, why cant he exploit it?

rStormChaser said:
Hachem's and idiot he should STFU and work on his own game instead of complaining about how other people play. And besides would you rather be at a table full of hyper aggr donks or a table full of pros

I believe he is doing ok. Making it down to the last 130 players or whatever and still playing ( that I am aware of )

Implied Odds3 · Jul 13, 2009

He's right to a degree but i would have kept it to myself and tried to exploit it.

Crystal Blue said:
I believe he is doing ok. Making it down to the last 130 players or whatever and still playing ( that I am aware of )

That's better than okay!

Lemlywinks · Jul 13, 2009

We're playing for one of the biggest prizes in history and they're getting ... five hundred million blinds in there with second pair," Hachem said. "To me, the reason I'm upset is because it's disrespectful. We're playing in the world series, we're not just having fun at a local home game. These guys are pushing chips around like it's nothing

[X] If hachem could exploit this he wouldn't be upset

[X] Hachem is a douche

[X] I hope an internet "hypo aggro" knocks him out

Crystal Blue · Jul 13, 2009

Who is to say he hasn't exploited it already?

Lemlywinks · Jul 13, 2009

it just doesn't make sense to exploit it, then bitch about it.

It would be like stacking a donk, then telling him how to play the hand where he doesn't loose his money.

Stu_Ungar · Jul 13, 2009

Crystal Blue said:
Who is to say he hasn't exploited it already?

I don't think Hachemwould be moaning if had found an exploit to hyper aggressive play. I don't think he could be commenting either way. I certainly don't think e would be harping on about how he has their strategy beat either, I just don't think he would mention it either way.

Snowmobiler · Jul 13, 2009

I can't see Hachem whining about a style that he can't exploit.He is a smart dude and likely has an angle he's exploiting.If not I would be surprised.

Snow

Crystal Blue · Jul 13, 2009

Lemlywinks said:
it just doesn't make sense to exploit it, then bitch about it.

It would be like stacking a donk, then telling him how to play the hand where he doesn't loose his money.

In the link provided he is mainly talking about how they are shoving huge amounts that doesn't reflect the current blinds and ante's etc. That in his view it comes across as disrespectful and that they only appear to have one move.

I think his comments arise partly because, as a past ME winner, he sees things in a certain way. If that's the case then bitching and exploiting at the same time is very possible.

For all any of us know, he might have exploited and busted plenty of the kind of players he is talking about. Only he knows for sure.

pantin007 · Jul 13, 2009

1 think i forgot to ask, how the hell is playing hyper agressive disrespectful?

Crystal Blue · Jul 13, 2009

Snowmobiler said:
I can't see Hachem whining about a style that he can't exploit.He is a smart dude and likely has an angle he's exploiting.If not I would be surprised.

Snow

This

Crystal Blue · Jul 13, 2009

pantin007 said:
1 think i forgot to ask, how the hell is playing hyper agressive disrespectful?

Ask Hachem, they were his words.

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