DOJ adds Lederer/Ferguson/Furst to Complaint - Claims defrauded poker players

OzExorcist · Sep 21, 2011

cardriverx said:
Yeah, they can. But only $9 million of the $150 million can be "canceled out" by that matter. Most players lost their money.

site here: http://www.subjectpoker.com/2011/08/ftps-60m-shortfall-actually-much-larger/

Ouch. So deposit fraudsters are either really bad at the pokers, or 'smart' enough to chip dump then...

CheeseConey · Sep 21, 2011

I'm glad FT owners are getting what they deserved, seeing that I'll never get my money back. Long live PokerStars! They were apparently the only credible site to be operating after the UIGEA. I miss you PokerStars! I want you back in my life.

OzExorcist · Sep 22, 2011

CheeseConey said:
Long live PokerStars! They were apparently the only credible major site to be operating in the USA after the UIGEA.

FYP, as there are plenty of credible ones operating outside the US (Party, etc) and I don't know if you meant to tar sites such as Bodog, Doyle's Room, etc with the same brush as FTP and UB/AP.

rodpoker · Sep 22, 2011

Are there any psychic mediums who are CC members or who like to play online poker? Maybe they could channel the spirits of Lucky Luciano and Albert Anastasia (of Murder Inc.) and have them take care of those frauds and thieves. Lawyers wouldn't be able to save their worthless asses then.

fletchdad · Sep 22, 2011

rodpoker said:
Are there any psychic mediums who are CC members or who like to play online poker? Maybe they could channel the spirits of Lucky Luciano and Albert Anastasia (of Murder Inc.) and have them take care of those frauds and thieves. Lawyers wouldn't be able to save their worthless asses then.

I am not psychic, but I DO hear voices........

And they dont like Chris, Howard or Rafe....................

Pothole · Sep 22, 2011

vanquish said:
rofl so u stole a bunch of money from FT?

I know someone who did. !!!!

Debi · Sep 22, 2011

If any other members here deposited at Full Tilt, their FT account was credited with the deposit - but the money was never taken from their account - please pm me asap. (Not gonna give you grief!!)

Thanks!

Debi · Sep 22, 2011

Here is a good article published by the Wall Street Journal today:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903791504576585390448785426.html#articleTabs=comments

JamesDaBear · Sep 22, 2011

They're guilty until they come up with the money they owe us and still have millions themselves. I don't see them denying that they don't have only $60m left as the DOJ claims.

Dorkus Malorkus · Sep 22, 2011

dakota-xx said:
Here is a good article published by the Wall Street Journal today:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903791504576585390448785426.html#articleTabs=comments

There is (not just in this article but on the internet as a whole) far too much weight being placed on the "Was it a Ponzi scheme?" question. It's just arguing meaningless semantics - if this goes to trial the definition of a Ponzi scheme and whether FT was one or not isn't going to be argued in court because it has no effect on anything (note that the article itself says the word Ponzi wasn't even used by the government in their complaint!). Plus, the article intimating that FT being classed as a Ponzi scheme will have any effect on Alderney and the license issues is dumb - the fact that FT was short to the tune of a few hundred million dollars when it came to covering player's account balances (even before Black Friday!) is what will influence the license issue, not the word Ponzi being thrown about.

Ponzi.

alaskabill · Sep 22, 2011

Here is a fairly good pro regulation article from the Washington Times.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ine-poker/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

Also, here is a poll to show support for regulation.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ine-poker/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

You have to register to do the poll. It only takes 2 seconds. Lets do this and show support for the game. The other forum has been trying to get people to vote and comment and I think we should join them on this.

Debi · Sep 22, 2011

Those links are the same - don't see a poll.

OzExorcist · Sep 22, 2011

JamesDaBear said:
They're guilty until they come up with the money they owe us and still have millions themselves. I don't see them denying that they don't have only $60m left as the DOJ claims.

The $60m figure was pre-Black Friday, before the DoJ seizures (NoahSD on Subject Poker says he's seen figures that lead him to believe the $60m included funds in third-party payment processor accounts, not just Tilt's own accounts). So they don't even have that much left.

Charade You Are · Sep 22, 2011

dakota-xx said:
Those links are the same - don't see a poll.

Poll might be over. Here's a new petition on the White House web site. We should all sign it. https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitio...icensing-and-regulating-online-poker/KZ2KB7c1

DennisC98 · Sep 23, 2011

Just saw this on Mike Matusow FB page......http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/news/17005-could-a-french-gaming-company-save-full-tilt-poker

F4STFORW4RD · Sep 23, 2011

Charade You Are said:
Poll might be over. Here's a new petition on the White House web site. We should all sign it. https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/protect-consumers-create-jobs-and-generate-revenue-licensing-and-regulating-online-poker/KZ2KB7c1

Don't think there would be much point to me signing it

jchris67 · Sep 23, 2011

Fortunately I didn't like Full Tilt much due to their crappy customer support and their expensive rake so they didn't steal much of my money. With sites out there like PS and Bodog, I didn't have to settle for Full Tilt. It was sort of a no brainer. Hopefully justice will be served and online poker will come back to life for the USA.

JamesDaBear · Sep 23, 2011

F4STFORW4RD said:
Don't think there would be much point to me signing it

Do it anyway. It doesn't say it's limited to just US citizens.

Everybody go and sign this petition... do it now!

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitio...icensing-and-regulating-online-poker/KZ2KB7c1

brank · Sep 23, 2011

JamesDaBear said:
Do it anyway. It doesn't say it's limited to just US citizens.

Totes. I did and Im not from the USA. Although I dont know if this helps at all it doesnt seem like it can hurt. I just hope for you guys that once its regulated they dont charge crazy rake and eventually let the ROW players in the player pool.

F4STFORW4RD · Sep 23, 2011

I see the top bit, down as far as the search box, and the bottom bit from the crest down, but the whole centre box is white and blank for me, presumably because of my IP address.

PurgatoryD · Sep 23, 2011

F4STFORW4RD said:
I see the top bit, down as far as the search box, and the bottom bit from the crest down, but the whole centre box is white and blank for me, presumably because of my IP address.

Is your browser blocking scripts? I use the NoScript plugin and I saw the same thing until I allowed the site to run scripts. Then everything worked.

Interesting feature, BTW. I really like this online petition idea. Let's see what happens.

fletchdad · Sep 23, 2011

brank said:
Totes. I did and Im not from the USA. Although I dont know if this helps at all it doesnt seem like it can hurt. I just hope for you guys that once its regulated they dont charge crazy rake and eventually let the ROW players in the player pool.

Seen this a few times. What is a ROW player?

brank · Sep 23, 2011

fletchdad said:
Seen this a few times. What is a ROW player?

Rest Of (the) World

alaskabill · Sep 23, 2011

They are seizing Jesus, Howie, and Rafe's assets.

http://www.subjectpoker.com/2011/09/doj-moves-to-seize-ftp-board-funds/

Its game over for these guys I think.

Ernster86 · Sep 23, 2011

Is anyone else sad that we prob wont be seeing Howard on TV for a very long time? He had this strange calmness I liked.....

He prob isnt so calm right now though haha.

DOJ adds Lederer/Ferguson/Furst to Complaint - Claims defrauded poker players

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