expected earn rate

younggun03 · Jan 7, 2008

i was wondering how much i should expect to earn on average playing no limit holdem cash games.
thanx, younggun03

pigpen02 · Jan 7, 2008

The average player loses.

sportsfreak_39 · Jan 7, 2008

when did people get the idea that poker was an easy salary?

zachvac · Jan 7, 2008

it's a complex equation involving the location of the sun, Mars, and my right shoe, but all in all it usually comes out to approximately a million bucks every once in a blue moon.

snrcreech · Jan 7, 2008

the fact that you're asking that question probably says that breaking even every hour would be a good start

gamedemon · Jan 7, 2008

Hopefully that thread attached below will help answer your question. Basically, if you can run around 10BB/100, you are doing well. The actual money you make will depend on what table stakes you are playing.

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/general-poker-13/6-bb-per-100-hands-good-profit-101186/

younggun03 · Jan 8, 2008

gamedemon said:
Hopefully that thread attached below will help answer your question. Basically, if you can run around 10BB/100, you are doing well. The actual money you make will depend on what table stakes you are playing.

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/general-poker-13/6-bb-per-100-hands-good-profit-101186/

thanx alot for giving a decent answer and not bein a dickhead like the 1st 4 responses. the reason i asked is cause i just started playing cash games because i always only played sit and gos thanx alot tho.

zachvac · Jan 8, 2008

younggun03 said:
thanx alot for giving a decent answer and not bein a dickhead like the 1st 4 responses. the reason i asked is cause i just started playing cash games because i always only played sit and gos thanx alot tho.

You didn't give any information. You can either give some information, or there is something called the internet, which has vast amounts of information out there. Again, if you sai "I'm a tournament player, started cash games playing at the X level" we could have answered with decent answers. But for example I say I'm a baseball player, how much money can I make? If I'm A-Rod, millions a year. If I'm an average player, I'm lucky to be getting paid at all for it. I'd say poker is easier to make money at than baseball, but it's the same logic.

Munchrs · Jan 8, 2008

zachvac said:
I'd say poker is easier to make money at than baseball, but it's the same logic.

Id rather play baseball/Soccer

, less stress

reglardave · Jan 8, 2008

zachvac said:
You didn't give any information. You can either give some information, or there is something called the internet, which has vast amounts of information out there. Again, if you sai "I'm a tournament player, started cash games playing at the X level" we could have answered with decent answers. But for example I say I'm a baseball player, how much money can I make? If I'm A-Rod, millions a year. If I'm an average player, I'm lucky to be getting paid at all for it. I'd say poker is easier to make money at than baseball, but it's the same logic.

In 2 seperate lifetimes, I have made money at both, plus a few other occupations.

Baseball was less stressful mentally, poker is easier on the body. Writing articles/short stories was cool, but led to insomnia, and freelance photography kept me out at odd hours. In the end, they all paid out about the same- SQUADOOSH!

Ronaldadio · Jan 8, 2008

You need to have a realistic target.

I play ring games for the FPP bonus, not to win cash specifically, although any winnings is a bonus.

My strategy is simple and is as follows:-

RIng games target - break even and hit 1500 FPP on stars/ month
SNG target - Make about 10% ROI/ Month
MTT - Cash in every 5 MTT I enter and make my big money here at final tables.

Hope that gives u one perspective

pigpen02 · Jan 8, 2008

younggun03 said:
thanx alot for giving a decent answer and not bein a dickhead like the 1st 4 responses. the reason i asked is cause i just started playing cash games because i always only played sit and gos thanx alot tho.

You still have not given enough information to get anything but a dickhead response IMO.

pokerjdud · Jan 8, 2008

haha well i have made a pretty good living off poker, i make about - 2k a year

Ronaldadio · Jan 8, 2008

pokerjdud said:
haha well i have made a pretty good living off poker, i make about - 2k a year

Cost of living must be cheap where u live

tenbob · Jan 8, 2008

Win rates for a no limit ring player vary vastly dependant on what type of game you play and the stakes. So a few questions, its it 6max/HU or full ring, and what skakes are you interested in ?

For example on nl$5 I crushed it for 35 big blinds (ptbb is different and half that) per 100, on nl$100 im currently running at about 6.6bb per 100, both full ring. If you can make 1xbb ahead of the rake on a nl$100 table, you can consider yourself a wayyyy above average player.

zachvac · Jan 8, 2008

tenbob said:
Win rates for a no limit ring player vary vastly dependant on what type of game you play and the stakes. So a few questions, its it 6max/HU or full ring, and what skakes are you interested in ?

For example on nl$5 I crushed it for 35 big blinds (ptbb is different and half that) per 100, on nl$100 im currently running at about 6.6bb per 100, both full ring. If you can make 1xbb ahead of the rake on a nl$100 table, you can consider yourself a wayyyy above average player.

Is that 6.6bb big blinds, or PTBB? Either way, that's pretty damn good.

pigpen02 · Jan 8, 2008

younggun03 said:
i was wondering how much i should expect to earn on average playing no limit holdem cash games.
thanx, younggun03

pigpen02 said:
The average player loses.

I still stand by my original answer. You have yet to give us any indication that you are above average. You need to be 10% above average to break even because of the rake. There are a handfull of players here who make a profit. There are about 30,000 who don't.

younggun03 · Jan 8, 2008

well im gonna be playing 9 handed nl tables at $.25-.50 blinds, now lets here some advice lol

thanx,youngguno3

Munchrs · Jan 8, 2008

younggun03 said:
well im gonna be playing 9 handed nl tables at $.25-.50 blinds, now lets here some advice lol

thanx,youngguno3

you you average higher than 5bb/100 your doing good. 10+bb/100 and your playing great.

Also do you have any stats of previous levels you have played?

pantin007 · Jan 8, 2008

are u rolled for the downswings {ie 25+ max buy ins}
well really it is not an easy think to calculate
u really need to give more info for us to help u
with that said, if u making 6 to 10 BB/100 u will be making a great profit
10BB/ 100 is basically 10$ made per 100 hands (1BB is 2*big blinds}
calculating this is not an exact science i might add

arahel_jazz · Jan 8, 2008

Frankly, I *expect* to earn zero profit. I support myself (and family) in other ways.
I *intend* to stay on a positive cash slope for the year playing on a part-time basis.

I have experience in the Music business. Most musicians have to work in other fields to support themselves (me, for example). One out of every 5,000 musicians "make a living" playing music as their sole source of income. (i.e. able to pay bills, eat food, own a car... etc...) Only one out of 100,000 actually hits it big and becomes independently wealthy. I apply that same anology to Poker.

tenbob · Jan 8, 2008

younggun03 said:
well im gonna be playing 9 handed nl tables at $.25-.50 blinds, now lets here some advice lol

thanx,youngguno3

If your just starting out, expect to lose pretty heavily. If your coming from a nl$10, nl$25 background expect to win at a much slower rate. In all seriousness if your 1big blind per 100 ahead of the rake over a large sample of hands you can consider yourself a winning player.

The best players out there consider running at 10bb/100 a total heater. An EXCELLENT win rate is 5bb/100.

younggun03 · Jan 8, 2008

pantin007 said:
are u rolled for the downswings {ie 25+ max buy ins}
well really it is not an easy think to calculate
u really need to give more info for us to help u
with that said, if u making 6 to 10 BB/100 u will be making a great profit
10BB/ 100 is basically 10$ made per 100 hands (1BB is 2*big blinds}
calculating this is not an exact science i might add

so r u saying that 2bb in a .25-.50 blinds game would be 1 dollar?
thanx alot by the way u gave me alot of info, younggun03

Jack Daniels · Jan 9, 2008

younggun03 said:
so r u saying that 2bb in a .25-.50 blinds game would be 1 dollar?
thanx alot by the way u gave me alot of info, younggun03

Yes, for 25NL, 2bb/hour = $1.00/hour. It doesn't sound like much because it isn't. You don't hear about people supporting a themselves, much less a family, playing 25NL. But you have to start somewhere and work your way up.

Also, since you're just making the switch from SnG to Ring, you might want to consider starting at 10NL instead (unless your BR dicates even lower than that).

dj11 · Jan 9, 2008

The biggest problem with the OP was the word 'expect'.

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