From The Floor Live part 7

detroitjunkie · Mar 10, 2016

A question for you all on how to make a floor call.

In a tournament and the following thing happens.

Preflop blinds are 250, 500. Player A raises to 1200. Player B throws in two 1k chips.

Is this a legal raise? Either way - why?

Mr Alvim · Mar 10, 2016

detroitjunkie said:
A question for you all on how to make a floor call.

In a tournament and the following thing happens.

Preflop blinds are 250, 500. Player A raises to 1200. Player B throws in two 1k chips.

Is this a legal raise? Either way - why?

much depends on the position where players A and B are the size of the stacks of the two, how many people have to talk even after this increase . If you put the whole situation well explained , it is easier to answer your question.

detroitjunkie · Mar 10, 2016

Player A is first to act and raises to 1200 ,Player B acts next and throws in two 1K chips - is player B's action a raise?

This is the only question, no need to go further, in fact you cant until a ruling is made.

OzExorcist · Mar 11, 2016

Erm... I'm trying to work out what the trick is here? It seems like a perfectly obvious legal raise to me.

BB is 500. Player A makes it 1200 to go, a raise of 700.

Player B puts in 2000. Two chips, not one, so the single oversized chip rule doesn't apply. It's a raise of 800, more than 700, not an under-raise.

I can't see any reason this would be anything other than a valid raise.

detroitjunkie · Mar 11, 2016

There is a trick here. In most card rooms, and all rooms that use TDA or wsop rules this is just a call.

For TDA see rule 46. "When facing a bet (or a raise), a multiple chip bet is a call if every chip is needed to make the call...i.e. removal of just one of the smallest chips leaves less than the call amount."

This is one of those sneaky rules that not many know. And I have to keep reminding my dealers of this rule because they forget, or dont even see that it has come into play.

It is a rare case as this particular situation does not come up very often.

Speedbruce · Mar 11, 2016

As far as i know, the dealer should give back 800 in chips to the Player B, unless he said he was raising then the dealer should ask player B to put 400 more chips in the pot.

detroitjunkie · Mar 11, 2016

Speedbruce said:
As far as i know, the dealer should give back 800 in chips to the Player B, unless he said he was raising then the dealer should ask player B to put 400 more chips in the pot.

you are right dealer should give back 800...but to clarify the raise was only 700, so a minimum re-raise would be 1900 total, which is where the question comes into play because player B put in 2000, which numerically is enough for a raise, but since both chips were under 1200 individually, it is just a call -

also in this scenario player B made no verbal actions

OzExorcist · Mar 12, 2016

detroitjunkie said:
There is a trick here. In most card rooms, and all rooms that use TDA or WSOP rules this is just a call.

For TDA see rule 46. "When facing a bet (or a raise), a multiple chip bet is a call if every chip is needed to make the call...i.e. removal of just one of the smallest chips leaves less than the call amount."

This is one of those sneaky rules that not many know. And I have to keep reminding my dealers of this rule because they forget, or dont even see that it has come into play.

It is a rare case as this particular situation does not come up very often.

So this is specifically because it's 2 x 1k chips? 1 x 1k and 2 x 500 would have been a raise?

Can see where I went wrong BTW, I only checked Robert's Rules and not TDA.

detroitjunkie · Mar 12, 2016

Yea anytime it's 3 chips it's a raise Roberts rules are a little less strict in a lot of ways...a kinder/gentler way of playing. Our rooms use a mix of RR's TDA and WSOP rules...and a few of our own mixed in. This rule we do use as almost all of our tournaments are based off of TDA rules...cash is another beast and uses Hodge podge

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