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Message: [QUOTE="rcrocketman, post: 1342644, member: 60785"] First off to those saying what a great call it was because the other guy had KQ.. and you have to call vs KQ... How do you know he had KQ?? (prior to making the call) LOL Because you were sitting in 5th of 13, this makes this question that much more difficult to answer. Again for those who are saying the KQ shove was so terrible.... umm.. why? The blinds are obviously pretty huge at this point and the guy shoving is potentially folding out hands that are beating him (look... even QQ is considering folding.. or at least I think he was... prior to the unfortunate result). The answer to the question depends on a few things imo. Can you fold the QQ & still be in good shape to make a good run at the final table? If so then folding the QQ here might be the right thing to do (this would depend greatly upon actually how deep your stack is & how deep the stacks are of the other's still in it... ie. you might be sitting in 5th of 13 at present... but if you're still sitting fairly short (as is often the case I believe in those tourneys) then you might have to just go ahead & make the call. It's not just about being ahead of the guy shoving here. Typically an AK would be open-shoving in this spot & in that case you're a bit better than a coinflip.. at ~ 55/45. With dead money in the pot you'd be getting the odds to make the call BUT the consequences of losing, getting nothing & distributing your tourney eq to the others is huge.... and needs to be weighed vs. the benefits of making the call & winning (will the win be of the pot be of such significant benefit to outweigh that of a loss of the hand?.. if so then your answer is simple). Without knowing the exact details of the situation (stack sizes, players who are left, how short the SS's are, how poorly the bigstacks are playing (do I figure i have a decent edge over the rest of the field even if I fold here in this spot), etc., etc.,.... I would probably grudgingly make the call. If this were a SNG with Top3 getting paid, 2 bigstacks & 2 shortstacks, or 2 big, 1 med. & 1 small, & you were one of the 2 bigstacks but the shover had you covered, this would be an EASY FOLD. In your situation here though it is not so clear. [/QUOTE]

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