Heads Up Match, The devil vs. The dogs

Hey everyone, I'm putting my five bucks on Diablo.

Hahaha, thanks combusto broad...I like your sig, by the way.

I'm sure fourdogs married up. LOL!

Wow Four Dogs. If your own wife won't support you - who will? The whole post and siggy is contradictory. LOL

And that one in the kennel is a Doberman!

So is this headsup next Friday. Can we all wait that long?

Oh man, THIS DOES NOT BODE WELL! I'm gonna have to cut you off Broad. And I aint talkin' about money!

There's plenty of love on my side of the battlegrounds for everyone. Fret not.

Mmmmmm, the devil in the details, or going to the dogs? Tough choice here but I'll have to say my money goes on Diabloblanco cause I'll always trust a tatooed blondie.

Four dogs, so we are set on best of five then, or are we going to make it seven? Either is fine with me. And to play these matches is it $5.00+.50 each per match or what? Is there a way to play with a larger amount of "chips" than just a monetary amount of $5.00, even though the payout will remain just $5.00 per match? Also, how will the game be structured as far as the blinds/antes? I will leave all of this to you to set up however you see fit, and however you believe it to be most beneficial as far as entertainment for the railbirds etc.

I just want to make sure above all that everyone has a good time watching me take your money.

Today I took the rubber-band off of my gangsters roll and deposited the agreed upon sum (plus a little) into my wifes bank account so that I am prepared.

For some added spice, I have decided to let it ride. If I am to win the initial heads-up challenge between four dogs and myself, I will take the winnings (the $5.00 per game plus the as yet undisclosed bet amount) and let them ride again in another head-up match against another Cardschat member. The first person to PM me will have first dibs on the second match, that is of course assuming I beat four dogs. I will continue to offer this same deal until I lose a match. The opposing player will only have to put up the amount of the original bet. On the second match it will be even money. If I win that one, it will be 2:1 and so on, until someone wins a best of 5 game tournament. All of these will be held on FullTilt. Again this is all contingent on me winning the first match. I will only take what cash I put out. In other words I only break even at best. This is a good opportunity for someone to make some nice cash if I win a few of these before losing.

Again, assuming I beat four dogs *snickers*

Only problem with this kind of heads up is if one of you goes all-in every single hand - playing bully poker. It would be nice to see some hands played and not just testosterone flying about like so many men do.

I can gaurantee I won't be calling or going all in just to win on a coin flip. I don't think four dogs wants to win like that either. I want a real poker game. And when the dollar amount of the bet is disclosed, you will know why we both brought our A game.

I think in my opinion to have the best heads up is in a freeroll tourney. What better way to show your "skills" then against maniacs. This will only be like watching a 1 on 1 basketball game. Yes it shows your talent but like a basketball player, real talent is shown when you play the game correctly with a team. Heads up is just practice for anybody who makes a final table. Plus your playing more on luck then skill cause you have to play way more loosely and more hands. Not much talent involved when it comes down to a coin toss.

Well that's good to hear. You'll probably get 1000 to 1500 chips to start with so we'll see what happens. The winner will get $10? is that correct then? and whatever you two have side betted.

I played heads up with a guy and he called all in every hand until I finally had to call him or lose on blinds and then I lost. It was sooooooooo much fun (read w/sarcasm) LOL. What a jerk.

I disagree Tizzy - To me headsup is an art if you don't play stupid all-in games. It is a battle of wits and betting. I think it should be interesting to watch 5 to 7 games and how their play changes from game to game ... or not.

Twizzy, I also disagree. So do ALL the professionals that played in NBC's National Heads Up Championship. They all said what a great format it was and how the heads up competition was a great way of asessing skill. But what do they know, right?

Good luck to you both, tho I will be pulling hard for Four Dogs not just for his avatar, but forever on the side of GOOD. And if Four Dogs dose not win <well after the match I might be up for the next one to battle it out with evil! we'll see how it goes but I'm going to be sure to watch>:damnmate:

I really would have thought more of you guys would want to be on a winning team. I don't get it. Haha, JK.

diabloblanco said:

Twizzy, I also disagree. So do ALL the professionals that played in NBC's National Heads Up Championship. They all said what a great format it was and how the heads up competition was a great way of asessing skill. But what do they know, right?

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Well yeah of course they did. Why wouldn't they say that when they play other non-poker celebrities with less skill of the game?

Then again not much to asess when you are going all-in. Also not much to asess when you've constantly played the Pro's(each other) constantly in tournaments.

Line-up of the NHUPC, non-poker celebrities in bold:

Rene Angelil
Josh Arieh
Bobby Baxter
Billy Baldwain
Curtis Bibb
Lyle Berman
Todd Brunson
Doyle Brunson
Jerry Buss: questionablly being in bold due to past WSOP final table experience in addition to a second place WPT finish, and 7stud specialist, regularly playing in high cash games
Mike Caro
Johnny Chan
John Cernuto
T.J. Cloutier
Kassem "Freddy" Deeb
Annie Duke
Eli Ezra
Sam Farha
Antonio Esfandiari
Chris Ferguson
Scott Fischman
Layne Flack
Ted Forrest
Nick Frangos
Prahlad Friedman
Chau Giang
Phil Gordon
David Grey
Barry Greenstein
Hassan Habib
Gus Hanses
Phil Hellmuth
Jennifer Harman-Tranielli
John Hennigan
Phil Ivey
John Juanda
Kathy Liebert
Howard Lederer
Eric Lindgren
Tom McEvoy
Chris Moneymaker
Carlos Mortensen
John Myung
Yosh Nakano
Daniel Negreanu
Evelyn Ng
Men Nguyen
Scotty Nguyen
Henry Orenstein
David Pham
Paul Phillips
Greg Raymer
Chip Reese
Lee Salem
Huck Seed
Erik Seidel
Mike Sexton
David Sklansky
Dewey Tomko
Mimi Tran
Amir Vahedi
Cyndy Voilette
Dennis Wager
David Williams
James Woods: actor and accomplished poker player as well as a poker enteprenuer

Yea, I see what you mean about playing other "non poker celebrities with less skill of the game."

That list is a who's who of the poker world, both high stakes cash and tournament play. And the bracket system was an awesome idea. However to combat the luck factor, the final match between Phil Hellmuth and Chris Ferguson was a best of three, freezeout. Just like four dogs and I will play, aside from the fact that we will play five games rather than 3.

bubbasbestbabe said:

Mmmmmm, the devil in the details, or going to the dogs? Tough choice here but I'll have to say my money goes on Diabloblanco cause I'll always trust a tatooed blondie.

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While I am dissapointed that your in bed with the devil,I liked your comment about "going to the dogs". I wish I had thought of it first.

diabloblanco said:

Four dogs, so we are set on best of five then, or are we going to make it seven? .... And to play these matches is it $5.00+.50 each per match or what? Is there a way to play with a larger amount of "chips" than just a monetary amount of $5.00, even though the payout will remain just $5.00 per match? Also, how will the game be structured as far as the blinds/antes? I will leave all of this to you to set up however you see fit, and however you believe it to be most beneficial as far as entertainment for the railbirds etc.

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While you have made me a believer in your live play abilities, I find your lack of knowledge in on-line Heads-up encouraging. Heads-up matches are structured as tournaments, not ring games. So while the buy-in is $5.00+.25 (not .50, my bad), each player starts the match with 1500 in chips. The blinds start out at 10/20 and increase every 6 minutes. The action is fast and furious and most matches are over fairly quickly but i have been involved in some that have lasted more than 1/2 an hour. Contrary to what I suggested in my earlier post, best of 5 is probably the best format. Long enough to get an idea of eachothers abilities and short enough not to bore the gums off anyone who thinks this is more interesting than watching paint dry.
Because Full Tilt doesnt allow for private heads-up matches, the hard part will be syncronising our registrations so that our matches don't get hijacked. But it can be done, I'll PM you the details when we get close. Anyhow, I don't think any of our members would be so rude.

MicheleW said:

Only problem with this kind of heads up is if one of you goes all-in every single hand - playing bully poker. It would be nice to see some hands played and not just testosterone flying about like so many men do.

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This will be purely testosterone and whatever drugs Diablo needs to take to keep his hands from shaking.

RENE ANGELIL

Angelil is perhaps most well-known for being the husband and manager of pop star Celine Dion. In recent years, however, Angelil has started to make a name for himself in the poker community.

Angelil was born and raised in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. He is also a big fan of blackjack and has competed in numerous blackjack tournaments.

DENNIS WAGER

There's something about poker players and their last names. First Chris Moneymaker. Now Dennis Wager. Wager, born in Cleveland, Ohio and now a resident of Minnesota, is one of the few "amateurs" in this year's tournament

EVELYN NG

At 5'11", Ng is an imposing figure. When she sits down at a poker table, she is even more imposing. Compared to some of the other players in the NHPC, Ng is fairly "new" to the game of poker.

PRAHLAD FRIEDMAN

When the whole poker community knows your online poker screenmane, you know you have arrived. Prahlad "Spirit Rock" Friedman has made a huge name for himself in the "online poker world", playing the highest limits the online sites have to offer. Friedman's success is not limited to online play - he has proven to be equally successful in brick and mortar tournaments.

DAVID GREY

David Grey, 45, is a well-known and respected high-limit cash game player. His main side game is the $1,000-$2,000 (and higher) mixed game at the Bellagio where he plays four or five times a week.

Though he's mainly a side game player, he's played in a number of tournaments, primarily in Las Vegas and Los Angeles. His World Series cashes include a fourth in a $5,000 no-limit deuce to seven rebuy event in 1998. The next year he won his first gold bracelet in the $2,500 "7-card stud event, a win that netted him $199,000. "

Yep, peanut-butter and Crack sandwiches.

Overall, many more skills are involved in regular tournaments. Head-up play merely requires heads-up skills... one on one, persono-o-persono. Naturally this will favor players who excel against a single opponent but totally suck at getting through a full tournament field to get to that one-on-one play. On the flip side, a whole niche of players who only win by amassing massive quantities of chips against full fields will be relatively helpless in a structure like this. (As always, the "best" players will be those who play correctly regardless of the structure.)

Heads-up poker is simply easier to play than full table poker. You have "fewer variables, fewer situations to master" (head-up you either act first or act last, that's it),

Twizzybop, only 2 of those could even remotely be considered anything but pro or semi-pro. Your argument still doesn't hold water. Jerry Buss doesn't even really qualify as an amateur. So you have Celine Deon's old man, Dennis Wager, and James Woods. Three people out of 64 people are non professionals, and out of those most would still kill anyone on this forum heads-up.

diabloblanco said:

Twizzybop, only 2 of those could even remotely be considered anything but pro or semi-pro. Your argument still doesn't hold water.

I'm sorry I didn't post every single BIO on those players. Next time I shall just for complete 100% info.



Jerry Buss doesn't even really qualify as an amateur. So you have Celine Deon's old man, Dennis Wager, and James Woods.
Apparently you missed the wonderful EVELYN NG
I didn't know someone "New" to the game was considered pro or semi-pro.

Three people out of 64 people are non professionals, and out of those most would still kill anyone on this forum heads-up.

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It is like playing a basketball game 1 on 1 because you apparently missed this "Overall, many more skills are involved in regular tournaments"

Head-up play merely requires heads-up skills.

Heads-up poker is simply easier to play than full table poker. You have "fewer variables, fewer situations to master"

Now I wouldn't go as far as to say that "kill" anybody on this forum. So with less variables and less situations. I would tend to bet that some of us would have a chance. I would also bet that we would have a chance based apon the unknown. Those players don't know how "WE" play but "WE" have seen how they play. Intimidation, Nervs, et-cetra would also be there. However since it is implied that according to you "WE" suck so bad then by all means you keep thinking that way. I tend to think that I am a very good player and would have a good chance of at least getting past the 1st round. I would also tend to think a few others would also have that same chance. To think diffrently would defeat the purpose of achieving excellence in one's game.

Dude, be realistic. If you had those kinds of skills you wouldn't be here arguing with me that you have a chance vs. those pros, you would be beating them. Cmon guy. I too think I'm a great player, probably one of the best on this forum, but I have no dillusional thoughts about my game.

On any one day, can you win vs. A pro? Maybe. Over the course of 100 games will you win more than half? Not even close.

Twizzy - I see you read ALL IN magazine! LOL -- almost word for word.

Maybe Twizzy and Diablo should have a heads up after Four Dogs! HAAAAAAAA Maybe to PROVE someones point. Or maybe that's Twizzy M.O.

Twizzy - you are sounding a bit like our very own Tom Cruise .... Twizzy knows everything about heads up ... Diablo you just don't know, Diablo, Diablo. .... LOL