High Stakes Poker Season 6

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  • #76
I'm a little surprised Ivey didn't raise after the flop. I guess he didn't want Dwan to 4-bet him out of the pot. Very entertaining show!

Thanks again coolnout.
 
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  • #77
forsakenone said:
the bluff at the end is sick, i never really liked durrrr but that was amazing.

how can you not like durrr? no really, if ivey is superman, durr is Lex Luthor

this game needs a player like durrr, hes a mix of old gus, sammy, phil, and a much of other good players in one!

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that was the greatest hsp in its history no doubt

i would say its up there, but if you go back to season 1, when danny bluffed ALOT, that was good

and season 4 i think when gus and danny got set over set and gus turned quads i belive, and same show phil hell.. bluff mike with kings with 7/2 : )
 
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I was afraid that Lex wouldnt be able to adjust his play to a higher level, it was kinda true... he wasn't able to bluff his way into winning a pot like he was able to do against amateurs in wsop... its not really surprising when you look at Ivey, Dwan and Antonius playing at each other with air and near air.

Anyone else notice how bad Negreanu runs in these? Not just the beats, his good hands that win him pots never really pay off big, it just feels like his style is too predictable, by playing small ball he only seems to build the pot when hes made his straight or flush, and the other players take notice and get out of his way...
 
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  • #80
I'm not liking the commentating with just Abe. Seems stupid to have a play by play guy and no colour man.
 
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  • #81
salim271 said:
I was afraid that Lex wouldnt be able to adjust his play to a higher level, it was kinda true... he wasn't able to bluff his way into winning a pot like he was able to do against amateurs in WSOP... its not really surprising when you look at Ivey, Dwan and Antonius playing at each other with air and near air.

Anyone else notice how bad Negreanu runs in these? Not just the beats, his good hands that win him pots never really pay off big, it just feels like his style is too predictable, by playing small ball he only seems to build the pot when hes made his straight or flush, and the other players take notice and get out of his way...
His bluffs are fine it just so happened that he ran into the top of his opponents range both times.
 
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  • #82
You won't be bluffing people off a set of queens too often.
 
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  • #83
the guy with the set of queens played it pretty well, except for not raising the river, c'mon.

The AA/KK hand was one of the weirdest I've ever seen, but understandable because the board is so terrifyingly bad for both hands. Antonius' call on the river is pretty horrible imo, he doesn't beat anything.
 
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  • #84
what do you guys think of Antonius calling DN down with 88 on the A-high, all diamonds board?

also what about Daniel flatting his SF draw and then betting it on the turn.

does Dennis Phillips have any chance to not lose his stack with Durrrr on his left?
 
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  • #85
i think PA must have a good feel for how DN plays if hes gonna check call that to the river, i could never have done that.

Daniel must have been a little snake bitten after that to just call such a major draw, all his outs will pretty much kill anymore action.

and NO, Dennis has no chance of not losing his stack, guy plays his hands face up, it doesnt help that Durrrr is on his left either.
 
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  • #86
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I'm not liking the commentating with just Abe. Seems stupid to have a play by play guy and no colour man.

^ this. I was one of the ones who said losing AJ wasn't going to be a big deal when they announced it, but I was assuming they'd be replacing him with someone. Gabe Kaplan is still one of the best commentators going around but he's nowhere near as entertaining without someone else to bounce off.

I think the dumb little between-hand segements are what I hate most though. Which is a pity because the lineup and the action are really good this season but all the other changes are detracting from them.
 
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  • #87
Pbland said:
I'm a little surprised Ivey didn't raise after the flop. I guess he didn't want Dwan to 4-bet him out of the pot. Very entertaining show!

Thanks again coolnout.
That's a horrible flop to raise. Compare to this hand and the reasoning is largely the same; the hands he wants to fold out aren't folding and the hands that he can beat are mostly giving up once he calls the flop anyway. Except, of course, that Durrr knows how to fire 3-barrels with air.

The river call isn't quite as amazing as some of you make it out to be. His river range is polarized. He'll have a set some of the time (although discounted since he didn't 5bet preflop; he likely would have with kings and queens, at least, given that Ivey is unlikely to flat AA and KK after someone else had already flatted a raise) and AJ some of the time, but his value range isn't terribly wide. Ivey gets ~2.5:1 to call the river, and I think what ultimately tips the scale to a fold is that Durrr could be turning a better hand than A6 into a bluff (e.g. 77/88/99 or T9). That's why AT is a stronger bluffcatcher than A6, and I think AT (assuming he would have gotten to the river somehow with it) would have called.

It's rare that I bother watching these shows because most of the time it's celebrity tournament players who quite frankly aren't that advanced in their cash game who like to splash around, but Dwan and Ivey are great fun to watch.
 
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  • #88
FP, it's not THAT amazing a call except for the fact that the stakes were enormous. Yes, I agree, Durrr always has like the nuts or air there, and I really think Phil would call that in a lot of situations. I mean, Durrrr can never have something like AK or AA there, KQ minimum imo.

It's probably a lot easier call for $25,000 for Ivey than $260,000....that's why it would have been so memorable. Much like Durrrr/Urindanger AA/KK hand or Durrr's set of 4s vs. Urindanger's top two with AK...they honestly aren't that special, the AA/KK is very standard really except the stakes were breathtaking.
 
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  • #89
I'd really like to know what Durrr put Ivey on, though. It obviously starts preflop: What hands over-flat (is that a word?) and then re-raise? Ivey is unlikely to be strong preflop. He would have squeezed with his big hands most of the time. He also can't really have trash since he would be more likely squeeze with that as well, so that leaves middling hands. Suited connectors, suited aces and PPs.

Then Ivey backraises. This, in my mind, reduces the mid PPs. I think stacks are a little awkward for turning 99 into a bluff. Not impossible, just a little unlikely. Stuff like QJ and other hands may be happy to take it down right away and feel good about folding to a reraise, though.

I feel like some of the action was cut after this. I assume Durrr flatted the backraise and then donked the flop?

Once Ivey calls, what's his range? A monster is exceedingly unlikely. QQ and KK for reasons mentioned above, TT as well (although not quite as heavily discounted as QQ/KK), but of course he could have a straight. But I think a straight raises this flop very often. Not necessarily because of the flushdraw, but more so because there are a lot of action-killers that can come on the turn, and Durrr's range is heavily weighted towards hands that will be willing to put in more money right on the flop anyway.

So once he calls the flop, what's Durrr supposed to think? My guess is something like JJ/QJ/JT, maybe T9 or AT, plus some flushdraws. Slowplaying KQ or KT or even QT seems unlikely for similar reasons as the set. Either way, Durrr probably figures he'll find out once he bets the turn again. But he doesn't get raised there either. Now flushdraws and bluffcatching draws (Tx/JJ/QJ) should be what he's looking at.

It's elegant that Durrr makes a committing bet on the river. He makes a bet that essentially prevents Ivey from bluffing, because Durrr doesn't have room to make a big fold. He can, obviously, fold the hand he actually has to a raise.

Now, when I say that Ivey considering a call isn't "amazing" I don't mean it in the sense that it's in any way an easy call. I just want to stop anyone from thinking that Ivey has a killer read on Durrr. The level of thinking is going to go pretty deep here; how does Ivey think about the fact that Durrr makes a committing river bet? If he has the nuts, would he make it that size? Wouldn't he give Ivey rope to make a big bluff on the river? Or does Durrr know that Ivey knows that and therefore makes a bigger bet? Etc. It's a little mind-blowing.

And pretty cool.
 
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  • #90
Too bad Lex and Hellmuth aren't there at the same time. But I agree with salim. Lex can't adjust and outplay those pros. would've been hilarious if he pulled the same stuff he did at wsop 2009 main event.
 
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  • #91
Lo-Dog said:
I'm not liking the commentating with just Abe. Seems stupid to have a play by play guy and no colour man.

Ditto on this. Without AJ to point out Gabe's bad puns, they really lose their impact. It's the universal law of TV... everything always gets worse! Shows get tinkered with until they're unwatchable. I think TV execs could be replaced by "Magic 8-balls" and they would have a better track record. I guess the people who own the networks are even dumber than their employees.

And what moron thought that hearing stupid poker stories with DN would be better than adding more hands at the tables? At least I can watch these eps online where I can bypass the pointless non-poker segments. What used to be a great hour-long show is now a mediocre half-hour broadcast. By next season, I expect it to be a 5-minute show about gardening.
 
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  • #92
Lo-Dog said:
I'm not liking the commentating with just Abe. Seems stupid to have a play by play guy and no colour man.

OzExorcist said:
^ this. I was one of the ones who said losing AJ wasn't going to be a big deal when they announced it, but I was assuming they'd be replacing him with someone. Gabe Kaplan is still one of the best commentators going around but he's nowhere near as entertaining without someone else to bounce off.

PokerVic said:
Ditto on this. Without AJ to point out Gabe's bad puns, they really lose their impact.

Gabe is ok but Abe is the man. :rolleyes: :p
 
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  • #93
I watch the full program this evening. Truly amazing what Durr will try to pull off. Love it and the best poker show around. I was shocked at how few hands Gus played.
 
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Gabe is ok but Abe is the man. :rolleyes: :p

Yeah... Abe ftw. Every show needs Abe...
 
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  • #96
That robl guy or whatever his name is, sucks man. No offense but he's garbage and doesn't deserve to play at these stakes. Goes all-in with AQo. lol
 
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That robl guy or whatever his name is, sucks man. No offense but he's garbage and doesn't deserve to play at these stakes. Goes all-in with AQo. lol

Was definitely a big misread... I think he put Patrick on a decent pocket pair like JJ and was trying to induce folding, even if they played it he could have got them to run it twice and most likely woulda won one...
 
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Was definitely a big misread... I think he put Patrick on a decent pocket pair like JJ and was trying to induce folding, even if they played it he could have got them to run it twice and most likely woulda won one...

If he had AKs, I would somehow understand. But all-in with AQo? This isn't a tournament. That robl guy never changed, never will. He pulled this same mistake against Howard Lederer when Lederer had Aces. But fortunately, Robl hit a set on the turn to win a pot against Lederer in 2008 WSOP 5k buy-in mixed limit/nolimit holdem event.

This may sound biased since Lex and Elky are two my favorite players but when Lex went all-in with AQo, it was different story. Robl's case was coin-flip at best and very likely dominated by anything AK, QQ, KK, AA, etc.
 
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  • #99
I think season 6 best so far. and of course super uber Ivey in on there finally stealing the show!

I think Ivey is the best in the world no gimmick, his play always switch up styles and w/ big money cash games, i think you never really wanna stick to one certain playing style. but season 6 is way killa
 
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  • #100
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I think season 6 best so far. and of course super uber Ivey in on there finally stealing the show!

I think Ivey is the best in the world no gimmick, his play always switch up styles and w/ big money cash games, i think you never really wanna stick to one certain playing style. but season 6 is way killa

Really? I don't really like this season. The lineup is amazing, but something is a little off. Even if you disregard Kara and Daniel's segments, the poker itself seems a little boring although there has been some interesting hands. Still a couple of episodes left, so there's still hope.
 
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