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Message: [QUOTE="Poker_Mike, post: 4729255, member: 268319"] Often these folks, you describe, get all their poker exposure from WPT and WSOP televised events. And they don't really listen to the commentary and technical analysis. They usually ignore the detailed discussion of.....why shove here...or - why a player can exclude a King from the opponent's holdings (right or wrong the discussion takes place). One of my friends told me in a very friendly homegame, "Either my opponent has me beat or he doesn't.....that's 50/50." I tried to explain that it doesn't work that way and I couldn't convince him otherwise LOL. So my point is = for people who think everything is a 50/50 flip - everything looks very gambly. And in this case he IS gambling because he doesn't understand any math or any of the nuances of the game. Or even why he's playing the hand that way. I'm sure everyone on this thread can relate to some of this.... Good luck ! [/QUOTE]