How much are poker pros worth????

RISKY 101 · Sep 25, 2008

I was wondering how much are proffesional worth ?? i heard phil hellmuth is worth 200 million can anyone agree to that? im really only looking for players who make their living playing poker..

zachvac · Sep 25, 2008

lol Hellmuth makes his money from endorsements, not actually winning.

ashershi · Sep 25, 2008

Hellmuth isn't as good as he used to be when he was younger. Negreanu is the best player in poker right now. Well, next to scotty of course.

Inscore77 · Sep 25, 2008

It really depends on the pro tbh. Some make millions a year, some make what you would make at an average job and live an average life

OzExorcist · Sep 26, 2008

This is a discussion that happens fairly often, and nobody's ever got any particularly good answers for it.

The answers you'll see most commonly are:

- Howard Lederer is one of the richest people in poker, probably worth many millions (mostly from being an owner of Full Tilt)

- Barry Greenstein is a multi-millionaire, and while he obviously made a big chunk of his money playing poker, the majority of it is in property etc these days

- Mike Matusow spends a lot of time swinging between millionaire and broke

- Phil Gordon is rich, though maybe not as rich as you might think, and he was supposed to be rich before he started playing poker anyway

NFI how accurate any of the above actually is.

zachvac · Sep 26, 2008

Also recently heard Ivey was worth 100 million. Not sure how accurate that is but I believe it.

RAMARAIDER · Sep 26, 2008

The average high limit cash game player will average 1-3 million a year.

Pothole · Sep 26, 2008

and most average online players would kick their collective ass.

Wonka22 · Sep 26, 2008

Pothole said:
and most average online players would kick their collective ass.

MOST AVERAGE online players?? REALLY?? That's quite the statement....I don't buy it.

SOME very good online players can stand toe to toe with the pros, but not MOST AVERAGE players.

OzExorcist · Sep 26, 2008

Pothole said:
and most average online players would kick their collective ass.

By all accounts quite the opposite happened to Brian Townsend...

pkrplr4116 · Sep 26, 2008

The three pros I'm friends with are comfortable. Not ultra rich, not middle class...maybe upper middle class, if this helps. These are older players not big-wigs, if you know what I mean. I know a few more casually...they're younger and more financially comfortable. not ultra famous, not has beens either. Just some younger wsop ME winners and others. Of all the ones I know, it burns me to say it, but Kathy Liebert is the wealthiest. Urghhhhh

feitr · Sep 26, 2008

zachvac said:
Also recently heard Ivey was worth 100 million. Not sure how accurate that is but I believe it.

I remember hearing how ivey took 16 million from some rich billionaire over 3 days in some ridiculously high stakes games where this billionaire had challenged a number of pros...so yea i'd say it is pretty likely that Ivey is loaded.

Anyways, the net worth of most of the poker pros would be more closely related to their business savvy/investments than their poker playing ability.

vanquish · Sep 26, 2008

Ivey is worth less than 100 million. Also, Ted Forrest is worth a ton of money.

zachvac · Sep 26, 2008

OzExorcist said:
By all accounts quite the opposite happened to Brian Townsend...

Well in recent history he hasn't shown to be all that great an online player either.

zachvac · Sep 26, 2008

oh and I don't think he counts because I'm sure he loses, but Guy Laliberte, owner of Cirque du Soelei (sp?) is a billionaire.

Pokertron3000 · Sep 26, 2008

Watchin poker after dark last night and the table was

Negraneu, De Wolfe, Chan , Juranda (SIC?), and hmm who else I forget, anyway they where talking about this and commented how many "top players" where skint or losing most of there winnings.

ryodejaneiro · Sep 26, 2008

feitr said:
I remember hearing how ivey took 16 million from some rich billionaire over 3 days in some ridiculously high stakes games where this billionaire had challenged a number of pros...so yea i'd say it is pretty likely that Ivey is loaded.

Anyways, the net worth of most of the poker pros would be more closely related to their business savvy/investments than their poker playing ability.

Yeah, the guys name is Andrew/Andy Beal - a Texas billionaire who went up against The Corporation. Google it and I'm sure you'll find more info. I'm not sure if the Corporation is still ongoing but last I heard was that Todd Brunson was representing the pros and playing against Beal in limit hold'em at the Bellagio.

I read somewhere that Ted Forrest was a pretty big backer in forming the pro team so it's not too surprising to me that he's quite wealthy.

feitr · Sep 26, 2008

zachvac said:
oh and I don't think he counts because I'm sure he loses, but Guy Laliberte, owner of Cirque du Soelei (sp?) is a billionaire.

Yea the richest "poker player" is actually the biggest loser in online history...

vanquish · Sep 26, 2008

I don't understand how Beal can want to play Todd Brunson in HU Limit, at $100,000/$200,000. That's like playing high stakes slots.

Irexes · Sep 26, 2008

RAMARAIDER said:
The average high limit cash game player will average 1-3 million a year.

Surely logic dictates that the average cash game player at any level is a loser?

rotocub · Sep 26, 2008

OzExorcist said:
Phil Gordon is rich, though maybe not as rich as you might think, and he was supposed to be rich before he started playing poker anyway

For some reason I was thinking Gordon made gazillions of dollars back in the tech boom. Is that right?

vanquish · Sep 26, 2008

rotocub said:
For some reason I was thinking Gordon made gazillions of dollars back in the tech boom. Is that right?

Correct. More or less.

zachvac · Sep 26, 2008

Sardonix said:
Nobody has really said how much pros are specifically worth a couple of geusses but nobodys knows lol

Because it's personal information. I wouldn't expect you to answer if I asked how much you were worth, why just because they're famous are they expected to make their lives public? If they are open and tell people then obviously we know, but it's personal information, and if they don't want to tell people, there's no way to know.

Makwa · Sep 26, 2008

pkrplr4116 said:
The three pros I'm friends with are comfortable. Not ultra rich, not middle class...maybe upper middle class, if this helps. These are older players not big-wigs, if you know what I mean. I know a few more casually...they're younger and more financially comfortable. not ultra famous, not has beens either. Just some younger WSOP ME winners and others. Of all the ones I know, it burns me to say it, but Kathy Liebert is the wealthiest. Urghhhhh

Good local take on things, thanks for the input, I agree most players winning on the circuit are not 'rich.' I sense Ivey, Ledererer and the Brunsons, at least, are big leaders in lifetime cash game wins... I also have a sneaking suspicion that tony g is creeping up there (scarey thought I know).
I worry about Daniel, I know he has been up and down, and doesnt have big money to back him like some others...

toolzz · Sep 26, 2008

if you look at the poker "pros" bios on bodog it shows their career winnings

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