Juanda vs Hellmuth vs Seidel vs Negreanu

crabby4 · Jul 12, 2011

As of 2011, which of these four are the best/most well-rounded tourney players? I thought of comparing these four since they seem to be the most well-known tournament pros. Also, Juanda, Hellmuth, and Seidel have had pretty good 2011 results so far. In my opinion, i think its

1. Erik Seidel
2. John Juanda
3. Phil Hellmuth
4. Daniel Negreanu

ckickenking · Jul 12, 2011

If you got Negreanu, then where is Phil Ivey.

Pafkata · Jul 12, 2011

Phil Helmuth can only play Holdem and all his bracelets are from Holdem tournaments.
Almost the same is valid for Negreanu...

Erik and Juanda are both very good at all kinds of poker games and they have bracelets from different games.

Phil Ivey is definitely the best. He has 9 bracelets and they are all from different games.

crabby4 · Jul 12, 2011

Let me edit this. Besides Phil Ivey, who of them are the best...

pokerchris · Jul 12, 2011

crabby4 said:
Let me edit this. Besides Phil Ivey, who of them are the best...

None of them

Amroth · Jul 13, 2011

I also miss Phil Ivey there, but if I had to choose I would choose Juanda as the most well rounded tournament player, I really like his style.

pokerman27 · Jul 13, 2011

Pafkata said:
Phil Helmuth can only play Holdem and all his bracelets are from Holdem tournaments.

Bracelets yes. Cashes no.

Poker Orifice · Jul 13, 2011

Pafkata said:
Phil Helmuth can only play Holdem and all his bracelets are from Holdem tournaments.
.

So a 2nd in the $50k buyin PlayersChampionship this year at wsop (8-game format) was....???

OP, not sure what you mean by 'well-rounded'?

OzExorcist · Jul 13, 2011

Pafkata said:
Phil Helmuth can only play Holdem and all his bracelets are from Holdem tournaments.

N'yeah, much though it pains me I've got to agree with others on this point - I don't think the "Phil can only play hold 'em" criticism is a fair one anymore. He's obviously worked a lot on his mixed games in recent years. All of his runner up finishes this year were in non-hold 'em games and he's had deep runs in previous years too in PLO, PLO8, HORSE and stud events. And events like the $50K player's championship hardly have soft fields...

That said I don't know if I'd go as far as saying he's at the same standard as the other three on OP's list when it comes to mixed games. Probably a crapshoot among those three as to who's best but I'd give it to Seidel based on experience.

Poker Orifice · Jul 14, 2011

Poker Orifice said:
OP, not sure what you mean by 'well-rounded'?

If you mean 'all games' (not just nlhe) & speaking 'tournament' poker, I'd have to say John Juanda for sure without question.

postflopper · Jul 16, 2011

john juanda without a doubt. classy and skilled.

OzExorcist · Jul 17, 2011

FWIW Seidel has eight bracelets: two in LHE, two in NLHE, one in PLO, one in O8 and two in deuce seven.

Juanda has five (if you count Europe): two in lowball draw, one in NLHE, one in PLO and one in Stud8.

I'd say they've both got pretty good records in mixed games, though I guess you could nitpick about Seidel's lack of a stud bracelet.

For completeness Negreanu has four: two in LHE, one on PLHE and one in SHOE.

MidyMat · Jul 21, 2011

Eric Seidel is the man where's phil ivey on that list?

wagon596 · Jul 21, 2011

With amount of players at WSOP it changes year to year,,,,, Ivey would have to be added to the list...

David G · Jul 23, 2011

Whomever is running better, seriously. All 4 can play.

EDIT: Well rounded? Maybe JJ's the best. Again though, all can play. Add run good to ES and suddenly he's the best player ever and takes down millions of dollars in a single year in tourneys. Add run good to Hellmuth and he suddenly takes 3 2nd's in wsop majors.

To be honest though my gut would say Hellmuth is the weakest of the three here, but I've only played with him a couple times and can't really pass judgement. I think I was better off before this edit and when it was simpler, as that's probably the closest to the truth.

ZODECI · Jul 23, 2011

""John is one of the only guys out of all the big-time poker players, who I can honestly say has never had to worry about money," says fellow pro and good friend Daniel Negreanu, who first met Juanda in 1997. "His ability to manage money is just nauseating sometimes. There were times when I would go broke, and I'd come to him and ask to borrow some obscene amount of money to get me back on my feet; and before he'd even discuss it with me, he'd always ask me what happened, then lecture me about what I did wrong or how bad I was playing." - http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker/columns/story?columnist=bluff_magazine&id=2948473

TeUnit · Jul 23, 2011

siedel and its not even close

just look at his recent wins

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