****July Poker Chat Thread****

[Jagsti]

It also depends on how often Jay flats these 3-bets oop and how often he likes to float c-bets

I'm not oop, last time I looked .

 

[eNTy]

K hi is so the nuts on this board

BB: $101 (202 bb)
Hero (BTN): $86.50 (173 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with K:club: J:heart:
Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3) T:spade: Q:heart: 9:heart: (2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero raises to $4, BB calls $3

Turn: ($11) A:heart: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, BB calls $10

River: ($31) 4:diamond: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, BB calls $20

Results: $71 pot ($0.50 rake)
Hero showed K:club: J:heart: (a straight, Ten to Ace) and won $70.50 ($35 net)
BB mucked mucked 7:club: K:diamond: (Ace King high) and lost (-$35.50 net)

im starting to like this guy now

BB: $45.05 (90.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): $136.15 (272.3 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with T:heart: 8:heart:
Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($5) 3:heart: 2:spade: 4:heart: (2 players)
BB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($10) 5:heart: (2 players)
BB bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50

River: ($21) A:club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11, BB calls $11

Results: $43 pot ($0.50 rake)
Hero showed T:heart: 8:heart: (a flush, Ten high) and won $42.50 ($21 net)
BB mucked Q:club: K:spade: (a straight, Five high) and lost (-$21.50 net)

not so much when i bluff shoved A hi on a 4 heart board and he called with mid pair no heart earlier

 

[kleitches]

so jay called flop and raised over a huge turn bet with a flush draw?

why wouldn't he raise the flop (getting more FE, and having more equity as is)?

i think jay's line makes a lot more sense with hands that were strong on the flop (such as two pairs, sets, straight, AA/KK) since he called the flop bet (presumably to allow villain to continue bluffing and to prevent raising him off weaker made hands) and is now jamming the turn, giving villain a reasonable price to call with overpairs.

it's like, if you're just snapping off with any overpair in villain's spot here (on the turn), you're getting completely pwned by people who will raise their draws on the flop and will raise their strong made hands on the turn, because you're putting them on draws they never have when you snap off the turn shove, whereas in reality you're getting it in against their really strong made range (that you have little equity against), and really rare bluffs (which is what makes this bluff pretty good imo). i think a lot of half decent regs will play only strong made hands exactly the way jay did, making jay's bluff so believable to me.

just saying 'it looks like a flush draw' doesnt make much sense unless you actually think about what hands he can have, you can't just say, 'he has spades', you have to think what spades are in his range that he isnt going to jam flop with, things like the aqss have overcards + spades, 79, 89, 9T, 9J all jam flop with pair + spades, 24, 23, 34 all jam flop with combo draw. the only real possible flush draw hands that he maybe wouldnt jam are jt, qt and qj. But shoving them over what looks like a 'im committed' turn bet wouldnt be the best play as opposed to jamming flop

The more I look at the hand, you guys are completely right. It doesn't make much sense to flat the flop bet and shove turn with a flush draw. But let's say Jay had raised the flop bet. If you were villian, is his range more inclined to include flush draws, and if so, how do we react if we were holding an overpair?

I'm not oop, last time I looked .

Ah sorry, I was looking at the other hand you posted when I was trying to find your position in the hand.

 

[kleitches]

Also, I guess I'm not quite used to relying on fold equity against thinking opponents. Likewise, if i were in villian's spot, I'm just used to people shoving all sorts of junk. I guess that changes slightly when you move up. I mean, Jay either has air or a really strong holding there and I guess I'm more inclined to think people will shove with trash to win the pot, at least at my stakes.

 

[Suited Frenzy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs

WOW...

After watching that, I know who's been smokin' the crizack:stoned:

 

[eNTy]

spot the difference

 

[switch0723]

different days, different shaped lines, different number of hands, different amount won, different values on x and y axis

 

[Lemlywinks]

Alright guys, little help needed. This isn't a huge sample by any stretch, just ~15k hands, but I'm hoping someone could spot something out of these that will help steer me in the right direction.

If for nothing else, boost my confidence that I can still win. On a -13 BI stretch right now, 4 at 25nl 7 at 10nl and 2 at 5nl, all FR

Anyhow, see what you can make of them:

 

[eNTy]

different days, different shaped lines, different number of hands, different amount won, different values on x and y axis

i dont like u

 

[Emperor IX]

i dont like u

I'm having a harder time finding similarities.

 

[The Shrog]

You guys hear about that guy "who turned" (love that phrase) $100 into like 65k?

 

[S93]

You guys hear about that guy "who turned" (love that phrase) $100 into like 65k?

You talking about the guy that traded usless stuff for other useless stuff until he had a house or something?

 

[switch0723]

ya srsly what are we meant to be looking at in the garfs

 

[The Shrog]

No apparently some guy was playing PLO with $100 and then just kept moving up..I think it started like 5 or 6 days ago.

 

[switch0723]

about to take first 200nl, lets run goot

 

[ProRonse]

Last thuesday i won like 700 $ i was that happy that i jumped in to the water 6 am. in the morning that was the top off the win haha, my 2 mates jumpd whit me cause they where happy on my ways, what can i say needed to do it

 

[switch0723]

solid start


Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP3: $462.60 (231.3 bb)
CO: $127.40 (63.7 bb)
Hero (BTN): $217.40 (108.7 bb)
SB: $270.15 (135.1 bb)
BB: $49.80 (24.9 bb)
UTG+2: $331.40 (165.7 bb)
MP1: $35.05 (17.5 bb)
MP2: $210.45 (105.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with Q

Q

4 folds, CO raises to $5, Hero calls $5, 2 folds

Flop: ($13) A

A

Q

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $8, CO calls $8

Turn: ($29) 9

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $21, CO calls $21

River: ($71) A

(2 players)
CO bets $44, Hero calls $44

Results: $159 pot ($3 rake)
CO showed 8

A

(four of a kind, Aces) and won $156 ($78 net)
Hero mucked Q

Q

(a full house, Aces full of Queens) and lost (-$78 net)

completely leveled myself on river thinking villain would know zeebo and would shove river with an ace

 

[Suited Frenzy]

YEAH BUDDY...

:icon_rr: :five: :marchmell :elefant: :dancing2: :ridinghor :icon_rr:

YouTube - ICE CREAM PAINT JOB - DORROUGH MUSIC "OFFICIAL VIDEO"

 

[switch0723]

lulz, timed this shot well

Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SB: $327.20 (163.6 bb)
Hero (BB): $195.60 (97.8 bb)
UTG+1: $104.90 (52.5 bb)
UTG+2: $224.60 (112.3 bb)
MP1: $200 (100 bb)
MP2: $169 (84.5 bb)
MP3: $193.35 (96.7 bb)
CO: $187.60 (93.8 bb)
BTN: $132.52 (66.3 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with A

Q

6 folds, BTN raises to $7, SB folds, Hero raises to $22, BTN calls $15

Flop: ($45) Q

2

9

(2 players)
Hero bets $29, BTN calls $29

Turn: ($103) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $91, BTN calls $81.52

River: ($266.04) 8

(2 players)

Results: $266.04 pot ($3.00 rake)
Hero showed A

Q

(a pair of Queens) and lost (-$132.52 net)
BTN showed 9

Q

(two pairs, Queens and Nines) and won $263.04 ($130.52 net)


jinxed my run goot

 

[eNTy]

ya srsly what are we meant to be looking at in the garfs

dude nothing its just a stupid brag about how nice +6bi days are

 

[vanquish]

solid start


Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP3: $462.60 (231.3 bb)
CO: $127.40 (63.7 bb)
Hero (BTN): $217.40 (108.7 bb)
SB: $270.15 (135.1 bb)
BB: $49.80 (24.9 bb)
UTG+2: $331.40 (165.7 bb)
MP1: $35.05 (17.5 bb)
MP2: $210.45 (105.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with Q

Q

4 folds, CO raises to $5, Hero calls $5, 2 folds

Flop: ($13) A

A

Q

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $8, CO calls $8

Turn: ($29) 9

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $21, CO calls $21

River: ($71) A

(2 players)
CO bets $44, Hero calls $44

Results: $159 pot ($3 rake)
CO showed 8

A

(four of a kind, Aces) and won $156 ($78 net)
Hero mucked Q

Q

(a full house, Aces full of Queens) and lost (-$78 net)

completely leveled myself on river thinking villain would know zeebo and would shove river with an ace

is this everest poker or wat

 

[switch0723]

yep

 

[Suited Frenzy]

lulz, timed this shot well

Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SB: $327.20 (163.6 bb)
Hero (BB): $195.60 (97.8 bb)
UTG+1: $104.90 (52.5 bb)
UTG+2: $224.60 (112.3 bb)
MP1: $200 (100 bb)
MP2: $169 (84.5 bb)
MP3: $193.35 (96.7 bb)
CO: $187.60 (93.8 bb)
BTN: $132.52 (66.3 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with A

Q

6 folds, BTN raises to $7, SB folds, Hero raises to $22, BTN calls $15

Flop: ($45) Q

2

9

(2 players)
Hero bets $29, BTN calls $29

Turn: ($103) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $91, BTN calls $81.52

River: ($266.04) 8

(2 players)

Results: $266.04 pot ($3.00 rake)
Hero showed A

Q

(a pair of Queens) and lost (-$132.52 net)
BTN showed 9

Q

(two pairs, Queens and Nines) and won $263.04 ($130.52 net)


jinxed my run goot

They called a $22 3-bet w/ Q 9 offsuit?

I need to start playing there...

 

[bw07507]

I finally updated. Worth a look if u wanna see a sick sick graph

http://bw07507.blogspot.com/2009/07/mental-block.html

 

[vanquish]

for a sec there, i thought that was a monthly graph, and i was like WOW THIS IS SICK IN A GOOD WAY

then i saw how many hands it was and was like THIS IS SICK IN BOTH A GOOD AND A BAD WAY