LIVE vs ONLINE

leon818 · Mar 28, 2010

Is there anyone having the same problem.
I only play ring/cash table and I play both live and online, play only 1 table when online. For the time being I realize my losses are mostly online. Is there a specific reason why this happen.

WVHillbilly · Mar 28, 2010

Yes, you're not that good and you're no where near as good as you think you are.

leon818 · Mar 28, 2010

Poker is just a hobbie for me, I never a good poker player. Just wanna enjoy the monet but not to lose big, so spending little money on a hobbie is sometime needed. what i want to know is how online poker is different from live. and some adv on whether onlone poker really worth playing.

TPC · Mar 28, 2010

Online and Live are not even the same game. What works live doesn't work well playing online. Why? Because leaks in your game are hard to find playing live because you don't have any data to analyze later.

Not only that, but you see hands at a much slower rate. Which means your leaks aren't that prevalent Live. But when you play online you are seeing hands twice as fast, sometimes three times as fast. Seeing more hands at a quicker rate means you have more opportunity to make mistakes. Which means the leaks you have in your live play, become huge waterfalls. So it really goes back to what WVH said.

WVHillbilly said:
Yes, you're not that good and you're no where near as good as you think you are.

Yes online is beatable, but you need to put the time and work in to be able to beat the game.

steak vegita · Mar 28, 2010

I find online easier just because theres so many more fishes and donkys giving there chips away.

tubbs65 · Mar 28, 2010

It takes time to figure out how ur online site plays ie the amount of times a flush wins on the site i play on is unbelievable so people will play any 2 suited cards all the time even if it's 7 2. U have hand history online so that can be helpfull.

IcyBlueAce · Mar 28, 2010

More donks live than online.

Eugenius · Mar 28, 2010

I feel like I have a much stronger edge in live games than online. Part of that comes from my live reading ability - I'm pretty good at picking up body language & physical tells - which makes me pretty good at picking off bluffs in live games. That's an edge I don't have online.

zeoul · Mar 28, 2010

I would have to agree that I am able to read players in a live game much easier, as well the tempo and time are much more relaxed.

blackmax · Mar 28, 2010

I suppose there is a yes and a no to that question as i agree with most who say you get a stronger feel for players live than online.Thing is i could show you many other who feel just the opposite.To me it's all about how the cards fall.....lets say for instance if you stopped playing online and only played live games.....do you think your winning will go up?

Monoxide · Mar 28, 2010

leon818 said:
Poker is just a hobbie for me, I never a good poker player. Just wanna enjoy the monet but not to lose big, so spending little money on a hobbie is sometime needed. what i want to know is how online poker is different from live. and some adv on whether onlone poker really worth playing.

if poker just is a hobby and you know you are not a good player then keep doing what you are doing.

you will lose overall, with the occasional win, that is the type of player you are... a recreational one.

even though alot of your losses are online, its because the game is faster aka you get delt more cards in a smaller span of time. So if you run super hot at live poker and win $1000 in like 500 hands, that could take a few days or longer at 20-25 hands per hour.

online you could get 70-75+ hands per hour per table, so 500 hands is mearly a few hours. So once you get to say 5,000-10,000 hands you get closer to your true win rate, which is most likely negative.

make sense?

Elie_Yammine · Mar 28, 2010

IcyBlueAce said:
More donks live than online.

lol. Who have you been playing with

?I think that even my 5-year old sister is a better player than 80% of the online poker population.
So no seriously!Much more donks online than live since they can't make that idiotic call and get away with it without being alienated by the whole table or their friends!
Another edge live are the tells that you have when you're up close and personal!(unlike behind the screen). That's how daniel negreanu makes his reads for instance...
I prefer live personally, but believe me, when you get used to the playing style online and how to play the fishies, you'll make much more money there than live, I guarantee you!

j_unatrix · Mar 28, 2010

Very hard to say with that small amount of information given, possibly the game is too fast for you online and live game speed just suits you better or just random variance. I would say keep on playing just be confident and see if the trend continues before making any big changes.

bigjoker66 · Mar 28, 2010

I've seen a lot of online winners loose live. It's a different game live, especially when you are deep. Online you are hardly ever more than 300bb deep nl .. live you are often 300-600 bb deep which is a whole different game.

Last weekend I played 2 different session where someone at a $1/$2 NL table had more than $1500 in front of them ($300max buy in). There were 4 players with $500+.

These games were very passive (calling) pre-flop and aggressive post-flop. I liked the games!!! One pair hands watch out!! (especially AA pre-flop)

steveestewart · Mar 28, 2010

yeah, I have to agree that the online players are much worse. One thing Ive noticed is that when online, if you lose all your chips and go bankrupt, all you have to do is deposit again and you're back in! Live you have to get up, leave, drive back home (or wait on your friends still playing) and can't play anymore until the next tourney/game. This result in more people chasing stupid crap and bluffing with ridiculous cards. You have to be smarter online and play tighter because donks are like a bad virus on there. Plus, you have no body language, so you have no idea what they are thinking when they shove all in. I think live is much easier to win $ at because its harder on you if you lose.

steveestewart · Mar 28, 2010

I was a very profitable player live when I started online and lost a lot very fast. keep playing and you'll catch on and start winning a bit if you are a decent player.

wllmsmthjr · Mar 28, 2010

live is better

live is much better, so many lotto players online. 1 click of a button there allin. no matter what there hand is. Because they know they can just register in another game. live they half to wait for another game.

IcyBlueAce · Mar 28, 2010

Elie_Yammine said:
lol. Who have you been playing with ?I think that even my 5-year old sister is a better player than 80% of the online poker population.
So no seriously!Much more donks online than live since they can't make that idiotic call and get away with it without being alienated by the whole table or their friends!
Another edge live are the tells that you have when you're up close and personal!(unlike behind the screen). That's how daniel negreanu makes his reads for instance...
I prefer live personally, but believe me, when you get used to the playing style online and how to play the fishies, you'll make much more money there than live, I guarantee you!

Its already a known fact that there are better players online than live.

rollnutilt · Mar 28, 2010

There's a big difference live and online. There are donkey's always calling you down with bottom pair or making a bad play and end up stacking off lightly. Live is alot easier to make plays and reading a player vs behind a screen.

Elie_Yammine · Mar 29, 2010

IcyBlueAce said:
Its already a known fact that there are better players online than live.

True! but they are about 20% of the online poker population...At most!
The remaining 80% are all extremely stupid donks that are much donkier than any live player!
So yeah the 20% eat their chips, that doesnt mean the rest aren't the biggest idiots ever!

IcyBlueAce · Mar 29, 2010

Elie_Yammine said:
True! but they are about 20% of the online poker population...At most!
The remaining 80% are all extremely stupid donks that are much donkier than any live player!
So yeah the 20% eat their chips, that doesnt mean the rest aren't the biggest idiots ever!

No.

ats777 · Mar 29, 2010

tubbs65 said:
It takes time to figure out how ur online site plays ie the amount of times a flush wins on the site i play on is unbelievable so people will play any 2 suited cards all the time even if it's 7 2. U have hand history online so that can be helpfull.

??? Are you implying different sites use different odds to complete a flush?

dmorris68 · Mar 29, 2010

As WVH points out with such brutal honesty

playing online puts your weaknesses under a magnifying glass.

Combine that with the well-established fact that online play is much tougher for any given stakes than live, and you have a recipe for online losses being blown out of proportion relative to live.

Many live players think they're much better than they are, given the typical soft live play (especially at lower limits). They think because they're regularly profitable at the 200NL live games that they'll crush the same stakes online. The reality is that 200NL live probably compares to 25NL online in terms of overall skill require to beat it (assuming popular sites like PS and FT, other US-friendly sites tend to be much softer). With the exception of very few, like Phil Ivey and Patrik Antonius, most high-stakes live pros do very poorly online against high-stakes online regs. Conversely, solid online regs have a much easier time crushing live games in their given stakes.

ats777 said:
??? Are you implying different sites use different odds to complete a flush?

LOL, it goes along with the "OMG online pokerz iz RIGGED!" arguments.

Fandorinrus · Mar 29, 2010

i started out playing online and it was a school of very hard lessons. I dont know what you guys are talking about when saying there are mostly donks. there are some very good players at the cash game tables. sit and go tourneys seem to be easier and way more donks there.

last weekend i played live for the first time. went down to atlantic city and i was surprised how much softer the live game is. at any given table, there would be 2-3 drunks gettin loaded off free booze and also recreational players just having fun and maybe 1-2 pros. right away you can tell who is who. i cleaned out the drunks and recs in no time and folded to the good players. made way more money then i ever did online in just one night playing 1-2$ NL. if you are patient at the live game, you will win 80% of the hands you get involved in. maybe it was just one night and i got lucky.

IcyBlueAce · Mar 29, 2010

Fandorinrus said:
i started out playing online and it was a school of very hard lessons. I dont know what you guys are talking about when saying there are mostly donks. there are some very good players at the cash game tables. sit and go tourneys seem to be easier and way more donks there.

last weekend i played live for the first time. went down to atlantic city and i was surprised how much softer the live game is. at any given table, there would be 2-3 drunks gettin loaded off free booze and also recreational players just having fun and maybe 1-2 pros. right away you can tell who is who. i cleaned out the drunks and recs in no time and folded to the good players. made way more money then i ever did online in just one night playing 1-2$ NL. if you are patient at the live game, you will win 80% of the hands you get involved in. maybe it was just one night and i got lucky.

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