*****NOVEMBER NARCOTICS POKER THREAD*****

[blankoblanco]

well, it depends on what CO's range is for that small 4bet, which itself depends on the history between them. i wouldn't say calling the small 4bet IP is automatically spew, but i'd need to know he had a range that included a lot of non-overpairs, and also feel like i had a decent read on him postflop. it's implied that you're going to have to make a decent amount of moves postflop and be correct most of the time to make it profitable, but i'd say it can still be profitable. that being said, even if all of that were the case, i'd probably rather 5bet it

it's probably spewy the majority of the time, but like most things in poker, it depends

 

[Debi]

Wtf is your logic with 56s???

So you're barely getting odds. Basically no likey at all preflop.

So yeah, preflop is just plain spew imo but postflop's fine.

At least his 56 was suited! (yea - I am gonna rag you about that for quite sometime lol)

 

[Worak]

At least his 56 was suited! (yea - I am gonna rag you about that for quite sometime lol)

56s on a rather undead hand
135$ ?
:girl::icon_scra

 

[Richyl2008]

At least his 56 was suited!quote]

Don't underestimate the sooted connectibles...



***** Hand History for Game 21964900572 *****
$2.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, November 11, 10:42:54 ET 2008
Table Muscida III (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: muck__you123 ( $7.05 USD )
Seat 2: HappyPillOD ( $3.38 USD )
Seat 3: dsvw56 ( $5.03 USD )
Seat 4: ezbasta ( $0.76 USD )
Seat 5: zachvac ( $9.47 USD )
Seat 6: IDFM ( $3.72 USD )
HappyPillOD posts small blind [$0.01 USD].
dsvw56 posts big blind [$0.02 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to muck__you123 [ 8c 3c ]
ezbasta calls [$0.02 USD]
zachvac raises [$0.08 USD]
IDFM folds
muck__you123 folds
HappyPillOD calls [$0.07 USD]
dsvw56 raises [$0.26 USD]
ezbasta calls [$0.26 USD]
zachvac raises [$1.42 USD]
HappyPillOD folds
dsvw56 folds
ezbasta calls [$0.48 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4c, 4d, 2h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
ezbasta shows [5h, 4h ]
zachvac shows [Ks, Kc ]
ezbasta wins $1.83 USD from main pot
zachvac wins $0.74 USD from main pot

 

[switch0723]

right, i'm saying f*ck it to the sng plan, since sit n go's seriously suck and bore me to death. This 1 hand from my HU session tonight provided about 5.6X the excitement a week of sng's provided

--------------------
HAND #1
--------------------

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (SB): $52.95 (105.9 bb)
BB: $50 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 5

4

Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3) 7

6

J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB raises to $7, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($17) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($17) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11, BB folds

Results: $17 pot ($0.50 rake)
Hero mucked 5

4

(a pair of Sixes) and won $16.50 ($8 net)

But serious question on this hand, does anyone bet the turn against an unknown?

 

[zachvac]

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/general-poker-13/new-uigea-regulations-what-you-can-133523/

 

[KingCurtis]

whew someone should have warned me that 2 hours of 24 tabling was not fun Good result though, and I think another 2 hours tonight will do me well.

this was playing 5k hands and 24 tables ^^^^^

this was playing 3 tables and way less hands VVVV i think you guys were right...but aren't you always

 

[dg1267]

I am really starting to wonder if I'm ever going to quit this horrible break even streak. It's rather disheartening!

 

[c9h13no3]

I am really starting to wonder if I'm ever going to quit this horrible break even streak. It's rather disheartening!

Try a -10bb/100 streak of 10K hands or so. I've been breaking even playing stud for the past month, but with rakeback & clearing bonus, its still profitable. Breaking even is nothing to scoff at.

 

[dsvw56]

I hit 500 posts some time yesterday. YSY!!!!!

 

[eNTy]

That is defo teh sjit dsvw, good work !

Question: I added the 3bet Total stat to my hud, now how do I interpret this?
What is a lot, what is not a lot, how do I react ?

 

[eNTy]

10nl FR stupid shortstackers I hate them !
The last hand he shoved with 8h3c vs my QK K on flop and hit runner runner clubs ...
He is pissin' me off..

stephoufou is at seat 2 with $3.15.
entYy is at seat 3 with $8.90.
pomgui is at seat 8 with $15.81.


The dealer is seat 1.

stephoufou posts a blind of $.05.
entYy posts a blind of $.10.

(entYy is dealt Ad As.)

Pre-flop:
FlowerKing.7 folds.
monkeyDluffy folds.
Icebreaker77 calls for $.10.
Manta65 folds.
pomgui raises $.35.
Kinah folds.
goldsilver76 folds.
jan0r65 folds.
stephoufou calls for $.40.
entYy raises $.75.
Icebreaker77 folds.
pomgui calls for $.75.
stephoufou calls for $.75.

The flop comes
10c 8c 7d.

stephoufou goes all-in for $2.05.
entYy calls for $2.05.
pomgui calls for $2.05.

The turn comes 2s.

entYy goes all-in for $5.75.
pomgui folds.
$5.75 is pushed back to entYy.

The River comes 6c.

Showdown:

stephoufou shows: 5c Kc
Kc 10c 8c 7d 5c
King high flush

entYy shows: Ad As
Ad As 10c 8c 7d
A pair of Aces

stephoufou wins pot ($9.08).

 

[KingCurtis]

I Love 10nl fish!!


PokerStars Game #22004247376: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/11/13 12:09:58 ET
Table 'Sy' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: bulrich ($1.85 in chips)
Seat 3: haze_gotti ($12.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Jack7W ($2.85 in chips)
Seat 6: spanfly ($17.20 in chips)
Seat 7: KingCurtis67 ($16 in chips)
Seat 8: ARNET75 ($10 in chips)
Seat 9: adlzodiaco ($8.20 in chips)
ARNET75: posts small blind $0.05
adlzodiaco: posts big blind $0.10
Trypanosom27: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KingCurtis67 [Ac Jc]
bulrich: calls $0.10
haze_gotti: folds
Jack7W: folds
spanfly: calls $0.10
KingCurtis67: raises $0.40 to $0.50
ARNET75: folds
adlzodiaco: folds
bulrich: calls $0.40
knacker.wo joins the table at seat #2
spanfly: calls $0.40
*** FLOP *** [2c 8d 4c]
bulrich: checks
spanfly: checks
KingCurtis67: bets $1
bulrich: folds
bulrich leaves the table
spanfly: calls $1
*** TURN *** [2c 8d 4c] [5c]
spanfly: checks
KingCurtis67: bets $1.50
spanfly: calls $1.50
*** RIVER *** [2c 8d 4c 5c] [2d]
Mr. Fales joins the table at seat #1
spanfly: checks
KingCurtis67: bets $3.50
spanfly: raises $10.70 to $14.20 and is all-in
KingCurtis67: calls $9.50 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1.20) returned to spanfly
*** SHOW DOWN ***
spanfly: shows [Ad Jd] (a pair of Deuces)
KingCurtis67: shows [Ac Jc] (a flush, Ace high)
KingCurtis67 collected $31.05 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $32.65 | Rake $1.60
Board [2c 8d 4c 5c 2d]
Seat 1: bulrich folded on the Flop
Seat 3: haze_gotti folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Jack7W folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: spanfly showed [Ad Jd] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 7: KingCurtis67 (button) showed [Ac Jc] and won ($31.05) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 8: ARNET75 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: adlzodiaco (big blind) folded before Flop

 

[dsvw56]

That is defo teh sjit dsvw, good work !

Question: I added the 3bet Total stat to my hud, now how do I interpret this?
What is a lot, what is not a lot, how do I react ?

Pretty sure you want the 3-bet PF, not Total. Total would include 3-bet % for all streets, and wouldn't be all that useful imo.

In PT3 or HEM, you can get the average 3-bet% for all players in your DB to give some sort of starting point as to how to interpret it. In PT3, just add the stat to the report on the Summary Tab, the average will be shown at the bottom. In HEM, I'm pretty sure it's in the Default Report on the Players Tab, if not, there's a 3/4 Bet Report, again with the average at the bottom.

Generally like 4-6% is pretty average. Most good solid aggressive players will be around 8%.

 

[icemonkey9]

Well the last few days have been profitable. Things are going well, and hopefully that continues. Just trying to play the best poker as possible on every hand.

Now for you fans of "omg wtf was THAT guy doing" you'll love this hand...

***** Game number #21996750433 *****
Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/11/13 2:30:19 ET
Table 'May II' 9-max
Seat 4 (BTN) has the button.
Hero posts small blind [$0.25]
BB posts big blind [$0.50]
Seat 1 : MP2 with $54.70.
Seat 2 : MP3 with $31.40.
Seat 3 : CO with $37.40.
Seat 4 : BTN with $53.35.
Seat 5 : Hero with $50.00.
Seat 6 : BB with $50.00.
Seat 7 : UTG with $53.25.
Seat 8 : UTG+1 with $65.80.
Seat 9 : MP1 with $23.10.

** Dealing hole cards **
Dealt to Hero :

Sklansky group: 1
UTG: folds
UTG+1: folds
MP1: folds
MP2 raises $1.50 to $2
MP3: folds
CO calls [$2]
BTN: folds
Hero raises $6 to $8
BB: folds
MP2 calls [$6]
CO calls [$6]

** Dealing Flop ** [Potsize: $24.5]

Hero bets [$15]
MP2: folds
CO calls [$15]

** Dealing Turn ** [Potsize: $54.5]

Hero bets [$15]
CO calls [$14.40] [ all-in ]
Uncalled bet ($0.60) returned to Hero

** Dealing River ** [Potsize: $83.9]

** Showdown **
Hero shows two pair, Kings and Fours:

CO doesn't show.
Hero collected $80.30 from pot
CO leaves the table
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $83.30 | Rake $3
Board [7d 4h 9h 4c 8h]
Seat 1: MP2 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: CO mucked [Qs Th]
Seat 5: Hero (small blind) showed [Ks Kc] and won ($80.30) with two pair, Kings and Fours
Seat 6: BB (big blind) folded before Flop

 

[Jagsti]

Wtf is your logic flatting a 4-bet with 56s??? You're calling 28 to win 20+235 = 245. So even going on implied odds you've got 8.75:1 and when you're gonna stack off here with flush draw against possible overpair (even QJ probably calls here in 4-bet pot with 2 flush draws).
So yeah, preflop is just plain spew imo but postflop's fine.

Well Zach, this is not a play I make a lot (thank f**k for that i hear you cry). I was tempted to push here, but I obv get called by a fair bit of his range at that point including AK. If he makes a normal size 4bet I insta fold, but the min'ish 4bet got me suspicious. I called in the hope of getting it in on a non a,k flop. Don't ask me why I didn't get it in on the flop, as that was my plan if its a non A,K flop. BTW he had a 4bet of 9% over a decent sample. Anyways, he had f**k all and I got my wish on the turn with a fold. Dont try this at home kids .

 

[ChuckTs]

Icebreaker77 calls for $.10.
Manta65 folds.
pomgui raises $.35.
Kinah folds.
goldsilver76 folds.
jan0r65 folds.
stephoufou calls for $.40.
entYy raises $.75.

Well you really can't complain if you're minraising your aces. This should be a raise to $2 or $2.50, not .75.

 

[icemonkey9]

By the way both Curtis and I are putting in (assuming he doesn't go bananas again .. hmmm...) an all night poker marathon tonight. You know where I'll be grinding, and I'll be sure to be on AIM for group theapy/group braggings.

It'd be good to see a few friendly faces join us ... I think I am going to start around 9pm EST and go until around 7am EST. Yeowza!

 

[tenbob]

Almost time to go back to the grind, don't know if im in the right mind-set for it tbh. Meh, an evening off will take 3-4 hours on Sunday to make up

Gonna get some food, might feel better then.

Enty, terrible bet sizing pre-flop there.

 

[switch0723]

i don't really understand the whole internet situation for pokering with you yanks. But have any of you thought about what your gonig to do when it gets to the time where you won't be able to withdraw any money?

 

[dsvw56]

i don't really understand the whole internet situation for pokering with you yanks. But have any of you thought about what your gonig to do when it gets to the time where you won't be able to withdraw any money?

Transfer it to one of my European friends and have them wire it to me.

 

[Jagsti]

Zach, what is your interpretation if this US law thing is upheld towards the back end of next year. IE no more deposits from the USA market. What is likely to happen to the likes of Stars/SNE/online poker in general? Are we all doomed.... Should I not quit my day job anytime soon?

 

[KingCurtis]

i don't really understand the whole internet situation for pokering with you yanks. But have any of you thought about what your gonig to do when it gets to the time where you won't be able to withdraw any money?

I'm might move to Canada

I'm 21 soon but that doesn't even matter since I'm 3 hours away from Atlantic City. But I did find a nice local home game. They play 1/2 and it's called the Taj Garage lol. I don't know about going to a place where I don't know the people but I guess it's just like going to a casino.

 

[bw07507]

Zach, what is your interpretation if this US law thing is upheld towards the back end of next year. IE no more deposits from the USA market. What is likely to happen to the likes of Stars/SNE/online poker in general? Are we all doomed.... Should I not quit my day job anytime soon?

I'm starting to get nervous about this as well. I was really hoping to give it a shot and play for a living after I got out of school, but now its starting to look like I might be getting a real job

 

[switch0723]

afaik jay, you will be fine to continue with your sne aim. Also i read somewhere on 2+2 that any decision made in the last half year of bush's time (now) can be overturned by a simple majority decision from obama's crew at the time of changeover. But tbh, he will have a lot bigger things to deal with to start with instead of online poker