Odds live and online

YuriSLopes · Oct 14, 2021

Someone told me that online odds are not the same as real life.

Randomness in online poker card dealing is programed.
And after a little research this randomness programming is kinda complex.
Learned that there's PRNG which isn't really random and the RNG, the true random generator.
Haven't found anything that says virtual randomness is different from real world randomness.

But someone told me that the odds are not the same as real life.

How's that?

Anyone?

Alex70793 · Oct 15, 2021

I think the odds in live and online poker are no different.
How can they differ if all the source data is the same, the same number of players, the same number of cards.
I also heard that there is a programmable random number generator online, but these are just words, it is impossible to prove it.

YuriSLopes · Oct 16, 2021

Alex70793 said:
I think the odds in live and online poker are no different.
How can they differ if all the source data is the same, the same number of players, the same number of cards.
I also heard that there is a programmable random number generator online, but these are just words, it is impossible to prove it.

As far as I know the RNG is proven to be as effective as the real thing.

Really hoping to find deeper info about it.

Thanks a lot bud.

fundiver199 · Oct 16, 2021

Its just a nonsense. Go in "Bad beats and rants" and check out the "rigged megathread". More than 13.000 replyes so far. Then ask yourself, why GTO wizards like LLinusLLove are able to crush online poker. Solvers naturally assume, all unseen cards are equally likely to come next. So if that was not the case, people working intensively with these programs would not be able to do well online.

YuriSLopes · Oct 16, 2021

fundiver199 said:
Its just a nonsense. Go in "Bad beats and rants" and check out the "rigged megathread". More than 13.000 replyes so far. Then ask yourself, why GTO wizards like LLinusLLove are able to crush online poker. Solvers naturally assume, all unseen cards are equally likely to come next. So if that was not the case, people working intensively with these programs would not be able to do well online.

Alex70793 said:
I think the odds in live and online poker are no different.
How can they differ if all the source data is the same, the same number of players, the same number of cards.
I also heard that there is a programmable random number generator online, but these are just words, it is impossible to prove it.

Okay then.

So what this guy said: "...if you think the odds online are real world mathematical odds you must be a newb. Sorry, no offense, but these are facts not opinions."

Is total BS?

I looked it up and haven't found anything conclusive about it.

Rost · Oct 18, 2021

I am convinced that my chances directly depend on my patience and discipline. And I don't think about the random generator, I just play poker and enjoy the game.

MrPokerVerse · Oct 18, 2021

Not going see a significant difference between the two. Most of those comments come from on-line players who cant turn a profit. Of course its the RPG, they looking to blame something.

dregan · Oct 18, 2021

I think that natural random numbers and RNG online do not differ much from each other.

YuriSLopes · Oct 19, 2021

Rost said:
I am convinced that my chances directly depend on my patience and discipline. And I don't think about the random generator, I just play poker and enjoy the game.

MrPokerVerse said:
Not going see a significant difference between the two. Most of those comments come from on-line players who cant turn a profit. Of course its the RPG, they looking to blame something.

dregan said:
I think that natural random numbers and RNG online do not differ much from each other.

Well, all I can do is not take the offense and keep studying and increasing my bankroll.

Actually I was graced with a little sum from the Deal Jackpot at PS.

Definitely something that made my day better.

Thank you guys for sharing

Zvezda kz · Oct 19, 2021

Well, I think there is no big difference between PRNG and RNG. As far as I remember the programming language, it is always said, if not this, then another, binary code and so on ad infinitum. But maybe I lagged behind life in this regard.

MishkaZL · Oct 19, 2021

Of course, online play and live play are very different. I find it much easier to play online. Obviously, live play requires real skill and experience.

fernandofcp · Oct 19, 2021

I believe that online poker is biased in the dealing of cards during and even the processing of plays the program decides who will win or lose hands. That's what I believe, but I respect contrary opinions.

YuriSLopes · Oct 20, 2021

fernandofcp said:
I believe that online poker is biased in the dealing of cards during and even the processing of plays the program decides who will win or lose hands. That's what I believe, but I respect contrary opinions.

MishkaZL said:
Of course, online play and live play are very different. I find it much easier to play online. Obviously, live play requires real skill and experience.

This is like politics, religion and sports haha...

But tell me, who decides who will win and loose online and why?

What kind of algorithm is that?

Definitely with online its easier to do the math and frequencies since it's all on the screen.
But different? What are the diferences between position, odds, EV, range and all from online and live?

I like both. I wish I had more doe to play live and also that there wasn't pandemic.
So online has been great for me at this moment.

Herkstwin · Oct 20, 2021

fernandofcp said:
I believe that online poker is biased in the dealing of cards during and even the processing of plays the program decides who will win or lose hands. That's what I believe, but I respect contrary opinions.

If you believe that poker rooms decide who will win, then why do you play? Are you one of the players chosen to be a winner? Lucky you. Why does the program select a winner? What is in it for the poker room?
Which poker rooms have you studied, in depth, to support your 'belief'. What is there in the descriptions of their RNG explanation that you question? Please be specific - quote specific sections, and then provide scientific evidence to refute their claims.
If you are able to PROVE, beyond a reasonable doubt, that your belief is true, all those poker rooms will be out of business.
Please share your vetted and verified sources.

fernandofcp · Oct 21, 2021

Herkstwin said:
If you believe that poker rooms decide who will win, then why do you play? Are you one of the players chosen to be a winner? Lucky you. Why does the program select a winner? What is in it for the poker room?
Which poker rooms have you studied, in depth, to support your 'belief'. What is there in the descriptions of their RNG explanation that you question? Please be specific - quote specific sections, and then provide scientific evidence to refute their claims.
If you are able to PROVE, beyond a reasonable doubt, that your belief is true, all those poker rooms will be out of business.
Please share your vetted and verified sources.

Dear Herkstwin, I would like to have the answers to your questions, but I have only the freedom of thought to believe in my convictions. I am really sorry. Success my comrade and good luck!

fernandofcp · Oct 21, 2021

YuriSLopes said:
This is like politics, religion and sports haha...

But tell me, who decides who will win and loose online and why?

What kind of algorithm is that?

Definitely with online its easier to do the math and frequencies since it's all on the screen.
But different? What are the diferences between position, odds, EV, range and all from online and live?

I like both. I wish I had more doe to play live and also that there wasn't pandemic.
So online has been great for me at this moment.

Dear YuriSLopes, I'm glad you are having success with the online gaming experience. Congratulations! I would like to have the answers to your questions. I am really sorry ...

Herkstwin · Oct 21, 2021

fernandofcp said:
Dear Herkstwin, I would like to have the answers to your questions, but I have only the freedom of thought to believe in my convictions. I am really sorry. Success my comrade and good luck!

I wish you success as well. Obviously, if we are at the same table, my wish for you disappears.

thwenth1983 · Oct 25, 2021

Online poker results are different.

Good afternoon everyone, I've been playing poker since the end of 2018, and I understand yes, there is a big difference between the draw of cards in online vs. live, online there is a schedule to have more action in your hands, as compared to poker live most of the time someone wins with hands like A9o, hits the ace on the flop and hardly loses, while online all the time someone makes a very strong hand.
If you compare the result of 100-hand draws in a live Mtt with 100 hands in online poker, you will notice that in online poker someone always hits very strong hands much more often, and real poker says that most of the time no one will hit a strong game.
It is also possible to notice that the draw of cards is different in each online poker site, note that the pokerstars schedule makes it have more Bad Bets than other sites.
Imagine this you create a computer game this game will only work with a schedule and this schedule is different on each site, of course there are sites that have results similar to the results of live poker and others have odds that contradict the math of poker , every time the villain with the most chips wins all in with the weakest hands vs the players with the fewest chips.

Recreationalplayer · Oct 25, 2021

If RNG is for real is a never ending debate. It's not been proved that RNG is not random. I know a friend who rarely plays live, but he did make a lower straight flush vs higher straight flush in a casino. And the sample size of hands is very less. So coolers happen in live setup as well. It is just that when such things happen online we make a big deal out of it.

pavel1111111 · Oct 25, 2021

indeed i belive the same that the live odds are more hard to obtain , then online it is more hands played , but you can never compair online - live poker

milka1605 · Oct 25, 2021

It is only a misconception that online chances are better than live ones. This opinion is derived from the speed of online play. Live you play very slowly, which means there are fewer combinations of cards.

VikyGia · Oct 25, 2021

Hi

They are only probability, however despite this it does not mean that we win, but that help is good

julio gonzalez · Oct 25, 2021

hello- live poker is totally different from online poker- in online poker you play more against the soft than against the players. You see unusual plays that don't happen live, I assure you

MishkaZL · Oct 25, 2021

YuriSLopes said:
This is like politics, religion and sports haha...

But tell me, who decides who will win and loose online and why?

What kind of algorithm is that?

Definitely with online its easier to do the math and frequencies since it's all on the screen.
But different? What are the diferences between position, odds, EV, range and all from online and live?

I like both. I wish I had more doe to play live and also that there wasn't pandemic.
So online has been great for me at this moment.

I am convinced that my results depend on my patience, my skills and experience. I don't think about algorithms that decide who wins. I just play poker, achieve my goals, improve my game, and always have fun.

Hsac · Sep 22, 2022

YuriSLopes said:
Someone told me that online odds are not the same as real life.

Randomness in online poker card dealing is programed.
And after a little research this randomness programming is kinda complex.
Learned that there's PRNG which isn't really random and the RNG, the true random generator.
Haven't found anything that says virtual randomness is different from real world randomness.

But someone told me that the odds are not the same as real life.

How's that?

Anyone?

I've done fine online, and I don't use GTO or any other algorithmic program. Seems like playing a dozen or more games online at a time using GTO would be like becoming a bot. No interest in it even if they do make a hundred thousand or more a year like they claim. Many online casinos are networked, like the PaiWangLuo Network. They certify the software used for casinos and have a very good reputation. They've even closed a few casinos down over the years in the network that didn't continue to meet their standards. The high end RNGs and PRNGs are very effective and are even used in cryptography. Whoever told you the odds between real world and virtual aren't the same is probably just another poor loser. There seems to be a lot of those in the real world and online.

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