Official Absolute scandal thread

[DaFrench1]

Exibit B

No. He's just "taking the piss" as the Brits say.

Here is a random post of his taken from march of this year:

Ultimatebet buy-in [March 4]
Blowed if can find it! Isn't it supposed to be in 15 mins? or have i missed it??
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Been saying poker's rigged for 18+ months.


Robwhufc on Pokerstars
erniebilko on Titan
robhammer on Ultimate Bet
DOUBLEDRAG on Absolute

My no wonder I don't get the Brisitish sense of humour. Its too 'advanced' for me....

 

[vanquish]

Here is a random post of his taken from march of this year:

Ultimatebet buy-in [March 4]
Blowed if can find it! Isn't it supposed to be in 15 mins? or have i missed it??
__________________
Been saying poker's rigged for 18+ months.


Robwhufc on Pokerstars
erniebilko on Titan
robhammer on Ultimate Bet
DOUBLEDRAG on Absolute

My no wonder I don't get the Brisitish sense of humour. Its too 'advanced' for me....

LOL OMAIGOD WE FOUND HIM AT CC

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

umm, not to spoil the fun that i'm sure some people would have had with you, but when someone changes their sig it changes the sig in all their older posts too.

can we get back to talking about how much absolute sucks now?

Here is a random post of his taken from march of this year:

Ultimatebet buy-in [March 4]
Blowed if can find it! Isn't it supposed to be in 15 mins? or have i missed it??
__________________
Been saying poker's rigged for 18+ months.


Robwhufc on Pokerstars
erniebilko on Titan
robhammer on Ultimate Bet
DOUBLEDRAG on Absolute

My no wonder I don't get the Brisitish sense of humour. Its too 'advanced' for me....

 

[OzExorcist]

In the meantime, why is CardsChat still promoting Absolute Poker? They have done nothing except deny it ever happened.

Innocent until proven guilty, I'd imagine. Sure, this is a compelling case, but remember that nobody's actually been proven guilty of anything yet.

 

[DaFrench1]

Mmmm. How come my older posts don't have my sig then?

Anyway. Regardless of that, he supports West Ham so I say hang him!


DaFrench1AFC!!!

 

[DaFrench1]

Much simpler explanation

Because this subject has interested me I took a liitle time to check it out for myself. My conclusion after reading all the docs is this:

There is absolutely NO proof that there exists any super-accounts that have been used by the users above to see hole cards. This claim is pure speculation by poker nerds who have been investigating the hand histories and came to the conclusion that 'he must be able to see the whole cards to call/bet'. Here is a much simpler explanation. People have been using Absolute Poker to launder money, the users that have lost to DoubleDrag, Potripper, etc did it deliberately. They don't need to 'see' the hole cards because either the 'users' were all controlled by one person dumping chips from the other accounts to DoubleDrag, Potripper, etc. or they are in fact in different locations and just tell Doubledrag their cards through MSN or other IM. TO MAKE SURE THAT HE WINS THE HAND.

My conclusions are based on the fact that the majority of hands did not reach showdown, i.e. the other users raised/called then folded, the ones that did get to showdown and are analysed were the ones that Doubledrag was winning anyway. Also, he is playing the same opponents over and over again. And we are talking about users that see 96% of flops and win most of them.

With laws now allowing law enforcement agencies to 're-coup' the proceeds of crime, if caught doing whatever they are doing to get the money in the first place this transferring of the money allows for Q:so wheres the money? A: I lost it all playing high stakes poker on Absolute, or the flip side Q: How do you account for all this money you have A: I won it playing high stakes poker on Absolute!!

Isn't that simpler?

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

There is absolutely NO proof that there exists any super-accounts that have been used by the users above to see hole cards. This claim is pure speculation by poker nerds who have been investigating the hand histories and came to the conclusion that 'he must be able to see the whole cards to call/bet'. Here is a much simpler explanation. People have been using Absolute Poker to launder money, the users that have lost to DoubleDrag, Potripper, etc did it deliberately. They don't need to 'see' the hole cards because either the 'users' were all controlled by one person dumping chips from the other accounts to DoubleDrag, Potripper, etc. or they are in fact in different locations and just tell Doubledrag their cards through MSN or other IM. TO MAKE SURE THAT HE WINS THE HAND.

Considering the majority of the players who lost money to these guys are regular 2p2 high stakes players, your theory is somewhat debatable.

In the hands posted, the 'non-cheaters' play is generally exactly what one would expect. I don't see how you can class the play by anyone other than Potripper/etc as suspect.

Plus Absolute Poker has closed Potripper & co's accounts, but the accounts of the people who they won most of the money from are still open.

Plus your theory doesn't account for the MTT where Potripper folded 4 out of 20-something hands, with an opponent having AA-QQ on 3 of the occasions he folded (there was no showdown on one).

'Superuser' may seem like a stretch of the imagination, but it's more feasible than your explanation.

 

[vanquish]

just tell Doubledrag their cards through MSN or other IM. TO MAKE SURE THAT HE WINS THE HAND.

That doesn't explain how he won a tournament where he dominated the final table and called an eventual all in with ten high against 9 high.

 

[Bombjack]

Innocent until proven guilty, I'd imagine. Sure, this is a compelling case, but remember that nobody's actually been proven guilty of anything yet.

What would you consider to be "actual proof"? If you know anything about poker and how to interpret the statistics on their play, plus the hand histories, it's absolutely clear that these players were cheating.

@DaFrench - The money laundering theory is just wrong because there are many easier ways to transfer money between accounts in heads-up matches etc. (In fact there were some hands which showed this was going on between the suspect accounts.) But this wouldn't involve the high stakes regulars, and they wouldn't then start complaining about cheating on public message boards.

FWIW I'm boycotting CardsChat until the Absolute Poker link disappears. Bye...

 

[CCAdmin]

Bombjack: see your PM inbox please.

 

[Bombjack]

Well I notice the Absolute link has gone... what can say except good work Nick!

Maybe now they'll start taking the security of their customers a little bit more seriously.

 

[runninscared43]

wkonevich you are right 100%. It is seen so much in my play time with how the whiners think that they should have the winning hand all the time. Poker is a game of chance luck and skill of reading other players. Watching there betting patterns online and what they stay with when the hand is over. Most players who complain about loosing hands and thinking that the site is rigged never play on real tables it happens there just as it does online. The only reason it seems more online is that most players play very frequent online than that on real tables. This is my own opinion though

 

[vanquish]

K my final theory on what happened/is going to happen:
DOUBLEDRAG/other aliases stole a superuser account
He won mad billz
Absolute support received 2000123193 e-mails
Absolute support told him to go lose at least some of his money back on purpose so they could stand behind their argument that it was just an awful player who got very lucky

/fin

 

[Bombjack]

K my final theory on what happened/is going to happen:
DOUBLEDRAG/other aliases stole a superuser account
He won mad billz
Absolute support received 2000123193 e-mails
Absolute support told him to go lose at least some of his money back on purpose so they could stand behind their argument that it was just an awful player who got very lucky

/fin

Possible. Whatever it was, it doesn't sound like Absolute have got to the bottom of how these users managed to cheat. If they had, and they managed to fix it, that would be somewhat reassuring. But if they don't even know how it happened, who's to say it isn't still going on there, albeit in a less obvious way?

Nick's done the responsible thing in my opinion... you can't recommend a poker site where there may still be cheating still going on and where the owners have done nothing to stop it.

 

[Belstone Fox]

Rigged ?

All this talk of rigged games and sites reminds me of an old but true saying that I'm sure you have all heard before " If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck....well you know the rest.

 

[pigpen02]

All this talk of rigged games and sites reminds me of an old but true saying that I'm sure you have all heard before " If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck....well you know the rest.

... have it for dinner?

 

[robwhufc]

Nick's done the responsible thing in my opinion... you can't recommend a poker site where there may still be cheating still going on and where the owners have done nothing to stop it.

There's still a banner ad on site.

 

[acesinhole7]

Of all the rigged threads throughout the forums it seems most of them involve Absolute. That is enough for me to never want to play there. Although, it would be nice for me to be able to blame my bad plays on something other than myself.

 

[DaFrench1]

Originally Posted by vanquish

Absolute support told him to go lose at least some of his money back on purpose so they could stand behind their argument that it was just an awful player who got very lucky

Originally Posted by vanquish
That doesn't explain how he won a tournament where he dominated the final table and called an eventual all in with ten high against 9 high.

So maybe he was trying to lose this one so as to not be so suspicious..but what do you know, the guy was bluffing! doh!

You also forgot "and changes his name to RobWHUFC"

 

[robwhufc]

Can a moderator edit above post please. I'm going to get in real trouble if this gets out.

 

[DaFrench1]

At last

Rob

Your silence has been deafeaning, and as you know in the UK the right to silence has been repealed and is now taken as an admission of guilt! so what were we to think.

But now you are back it is time to answer the one question that is on everyones lips and that everyone wants to know your views on, and that question is........what about those Gunners, eh Rob?

 

[Vhyre]

For AP to make the assertion that there are no holes in its security is more than absurd, it falls into the realm of a direct lie. Where ever technology exists there are those who will exploit it for thier own ends, period. You read about 13 year old kids hacking defense department computer networks. What on earth makes AP believe that its invulnerable and there could never be such things happening?

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

Absolute Poker have responded on 2p2.

Edit: It's not confirmed to be AP, but if it is a fake it's a very good one seeing as it's exactly what one would expect AP to say, heh.

 

[vanquish]

So maybe he was trying to lose this one so as to not be so suspicious..but what do you know, the guy was bluffing!

Which doesn't make sense because he open-folded high pocket pairs when higher pocket pairs were to act behind him, and played every single other hand at the final table.
You can play devil's advocate all day here, and not accept any of this as a possibility, but this is about as real as proof will probably ever get.

 

[Bombjack]

Absolute Poker have responded on 2p2.

Edit: It's not confirmed to be AP, but if it is a fake it's a very good one seeing as it's exactly what one would expect AP to say, heh.

As expected, it basically says they found nothing!

However there's a twist that comes later in that thread. Apparently the guy who came 2nd in the 1k tournament that POTRIPPER won requested the hand histories for that tournament, and Absolute mistakenly sent him the hand histories for every hand played, including tables he wasn't at. This was all just posted late yesterday so it's hot off the press. There are people at the moment trying to get these hand histories into a replayer, but to quote someone who's looking at the histories on Pocket Fives (link):

This is the sickest thing I have ever seen. If you see this file you will have no doubt that he was cheating. There are just way to many sick folds, extremely thin v-bets, and massive over bet bluffs for me to believe he wasnt cheating.

edit: now I have him folding about 7 hands pre flop the whole tourney so far going into the 150-300 level. On the 7 hands he folded, QQ/KK/AA were dealt out to other players on each hand. He open folded KQ to no raise pre when AA was dealt out there and remember he has only folded 7 hands pre so far so he is playing the ugliest of hands including 27o and 62o etc.

Finally indisputable proof is out there... Absolute's days are now surely numbered.

I'd advise anyone who still has funds there to remove them ASAP.