kidkvno1 said:
Actually in 'most' circumstances the call here (or actually re-shove over) would be an easy one (it's a winner-take-all format which affects things alot, ALSO, he's short and has got a chunk invested in the hand, only part of Chris's range he's behind is the big pr.... BUT.. .read on...). Reason why it wasn't so easy in this particular hand was based on 'meta game' (as touched on above by beardyian)... Daniel had opted to change his approach on this particular PokerAfterDark (he's usually raising pretty light and is playing LOTS of hands, especially in early levels). In this particulat PAD he chose to play uber-tight. With Chris realizing this, and Daniel realizing that Chris is realizing this... it makes for an easy laydown (aside from the 'looks', the 'tone of voice', 'sunglasses' etc.... incidentally... those kind of tells are tells for the rookies... pros will be sending out numerous tells, or intentional tells. Also, the tells the more experienced, seasoned pros are looking for, are way beyond simply 'tone of voice' and 'certain stares'. To gain a marginally better understanding of this, try reading some of Navarro's articles. Plus... these guys know each other soooo well that you have to keep that in mind. The thinking going on is above level1 or level2 and hearing stuff simplified here is kinda funny imo.
Keep posting 'your' vids boomboom...seems to be getting some discussion happening.
Got it, thanks.Poker Orifice said:
I'm working on thinking, like the pros do.
Daniel did a great play there, only if i did the same thing, i would not of lost haft my stack... 😱 But i did come out to win, i may have to post some of my hands, from my HU to get some feed back on them, even tho i won, i think it could help out to post them...
BoomBoom, keep spamming like that, and you will never get on the Freeroll list, but do keep the vids coming, i get an lol out of them every time.
I watched it twice before reading the responses because I thought I somehow missed and and wasted 2 more min of my life. I am sure Mike was joking when he said I see your hand and Daniel had a good read and made a good laydown. Folding JJ to a pf raise is easy.
boomboom said:
you certainly know how to use yours
how in the %$#%$ was hellmuth supposed to have seen fergusons hand ?
I watched the vid a couple of times in fullscreen...ferguson has both hands protecting his cards when he looks at them ...no possible way for hellmuth to have seen them
as for the comments hellmuth makes after the hand.... absolutely nothing there either
you're just plain delusional (or maybe it's collusional in your case) :stupid:
(actually, you're right....... it was collusion...and we're all involved in a massive conspiracy to cover it up...
in fact,...this whole site, as well as nearly all other online poker forums were created as a pre-emptive measure so that the few of you "in the know" wouldn't create your own forums to expose this collusion)
did not see it
I watched the video 3 times, looked very hard too. I know he said why am i sweating this so much? Maybe Phil was looking at ferguson's hand underneathe his sunglasses but we could not see him looking??? I did not know what phil said to get daniel out of the hand? And i did not see him tell daniel anything?? I just think it was a good read on Daniel's part, but JJ for 4200$ more? that's a pretty good deal, but an even better laydown.
I watched the video 3 times, looked very hard too. I know he said why am i sweating this so much? Maybe Phil was looking at ferguson's hand underneathe his sunglasses but we could not see him looking??? I did not know what phil said to get daniel out of the hand? And i did not see him tell daniel anything?? I just think it was a good read on Daniel's part, but JJ for 4200$ more? that's a pretty good deal, but an even better laydown.
The pros just have a level of understanding and respect for each other's game. They understand that sometimes you lay down to certain people because they may outplay you after the flop anyway.
For example, say the board hits KQ4 suited and phil fires another shell. For one they're already involved in a big pot if he calls, but for two daniel can't call and if he chooses to shove after a flop he may be beat by ak, kq, aq or flush, for example.
For example, say the board hits KQ4 suited and phil fires another shell. For one they're already involved in a big pot if he calls, but for two daniel can't call and if he chooses to shove after a flop he may be beat by ak, kq, aq or flush, for example.
I play a tourney every week of about 35-40 people. My buddies and I aren't "colluding" when we make huge lay-downs against each other. There's other players there that I'll fold a winning hand if they make the right play. Besides...jacks are impossible sometimes.