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Message: [QUOTE="ABorges, post: 944613, member: 21646"] Pretty goddamn sure you're a better cash player than Hellmuth. I don't think you play many tournaments, but if you did get into them I say you'd be better than him in no time... seriously, the guy pretty much sucks against non fish. I say most winning players online, even mid stakes players, have a better grasp of the game than him. The ONLY reasonable defense against this atrocious fold comes from a marketing stand point. If the other guy had aces or kings every idiot watching on TV would go ballistic with this fold, perpetuating this as the one of the greatest folds of all time to everyone who doesn't have a clue (read: almost everyone). I mean, if you even try to defend this abortion from a pot odds / equity point of view, let me tell you this... let's say the other guy's raising range is AK, JJ+ (which is obviously very very ridiculously tight)... you're almost 50% against that range with QQ, which means it's better to push than to fold given the dead money!! And even if he open folds JACKS, QQ is pretty much just a 1.5 to 1 dog against KK+, AK. Loosen up that range (which you obviously should) and QQ is crushing it!!! So can your great idol Phil Hellmuth defy simple math?? You decide. What happened to ignoring someone's results when it comes to analyzing said person's game? Variance is really enormous when it comes to tournaments, and, like downswings, upswings happen too. And they can appear in the form of, say, 11 bracelets. In 50 player fields. 20 years ago. When the game wasn't even nearly as sophisticated as today. Especially if you consider the very small volume you can put in live. Maybe you should think twice before reproducing plays made by this so called "top pro" when you play, they just might not be as profitable as you think... [/QUOTE]

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