Phil Ivey the best poker player alive?

Big_Rudy · Aug 28, 2012

Yeah little problem with the thread title and choosing Stuey

. Until he manages to put a bad beat on death, I'd have to say Ivey is the best currently, and Stuey is likely the greatest of all time.

xdeucesx · Aug 28, 2012

MediaBLITZ said:
Cause Stu's online graph really sucks

The whole point of this thread was "Is phil Ivey the best player alive?"

This means the arguments should consist of players still living that can challenge Ivey.

Stu Ungar is no longer living, therefore cannot challenge Ivey

JusSumguy · Aug 28, 2012

xdeuceswild81xx said:
The whole point of this thread was "Is phil Ivey the best player alive?"

This means the arguments should consist of players still living that can challenge Ivey.

Stu Ungar is no longer living, therefore cannot challenge Ivey

If you try, I'll bet you can come up with a cuppla more ways to say the same thing.

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always2away · Aug 28, 2012

Ivey is fearless and truly exceptional, but, for consistent excellent decision making its Johnny Chan.

Chans the best since Ungar.

kevinr1979 · Aug 28, 2012

The best alive is probally someone nobody has ever heard of

onemorechance · Aug 28, 2012

always2away said:
Ivey is fearless and truly exceptional, but, for consistent excellent decision making its Johnny Chan.

Chans the best since Ungar.

hawkcarter · Aug 28, 2012

Phil Ivey

Would love for my game to be on his level one day before i leave this earth.

MediaBLITZ · Aug 29, 2012

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xdeucesx · Aug 29, 2012

onemorechance said:

absolutely killing it

A+

LeanAndMean · Aug 29, 2012

Well I would certainly give him a vote for one of the best looking. Prob Eric Lindgren would get the top vote in that category

onemorechance · Aug 29, 2012

LeanAndMean said:
Well I would certainly give him a vote for one of the best looking. Prob Eric Lindgren would get the top vote in that category

PA ainec

deeshark420 · Aug 29, 2012

about phils in poker

phil ivey is a great player of poker but phil helmouth really knows the game he is an all time favorite player we cannot leave out. I love texas holdem and have learned some good things over the tears from both of the players mentioned.hope everyone is having great poker games.

4thandinches · Aug 30, 2012

The best poker player alive would ideally and logically be that person who SOLELY makes money off his poker skills, and needs NO other source of income because he is that good.
Unfortunately, based on that criteria, there is no such person, so crowning Ivey as this person is ludicrous. Phil wisely makes his money off other investments and it is virtually impossible to make a living on one's poker knowledge.
If Ivey was as great as people claim (and he obviously knows Hold Em as well as anyone) he would easily dominate the final tables that he made it to. But being that poker is so much luck over skill, he regularly FAILS in these situations.

4thandinches · Aug 30, 2012

Also, why do you think there are so many new faces at the final tables of major tournaments. Is it because players that have had past success have suddenly gotten dumber and forgotten how to play the game? No, once someone learns basic math, chip count, position, etc., they know as much about the game as almost anyone else.
Think about it: if one's math knowledge guaranteed success long-term at the Hold Em tables, David Sklansky would be regularly seen at final tables. Instead, you rarely even see him even playing the game.

AlfieAA · Aug 30, 2012

phil hellmuth is the best player in the world....

Roller · Aug 30, 2012

alyoung said:
phil hellmuth is the best player in the world....

^^^^^^^^

whattheskyisfallingtheskyisfalling

MediaBLITZ · Aug 31, 2012

4thandinches said:
The best poker player alive would ideally and logically be that person who SOLELY makes money off his poker skills, and needs NO other source of income because he is that good.

EXACTLY!!! If Peyton Manning was a better quarterback he would not have to worry about making millions doing endorsements and making business deals.

If LeBron James actually knew how to play basketball...

If Alec Baldwin could act....

If Negreanu could play a lick of poker...

If you weren't a moron....

Big_Rudy · Aug 31, 2012

alyoung said:
phil hellmuth is the best player in the world....

Wut??? Again? C'mon Phil stop hiding behind a made-up name on our site

. Just admit that you and this mythical "Alyoung" are the same person

.

Seriously, no one disputes that PH is an amazing player. But very few would argue that he is the best in the world when you consider ALL aspects of the game. Phil's forte is tournament NLHE. There is way more to poker than that. His cash game doesn't get a ton of respect from many of the other top pros. He isn't considered to be at the top of other formats either (Razz, Stud, Omaha, etc, etc). If you consider all-around mastery of the game Hellmuth, while admittedly very, very good, would not be at the top of most peoples' lists.

MediaBLITZ · Aug 31, 2012

Big_Rudy said:
Wut??? Again? C'mon Phil stop hiding behind a made-up name on our site . Just admit that you and this mythical "Alyoung" are the same person .

Seriously, no one disputes that PH is an amazing player. But very few would argue that he is the best in the world when you consider ALL aspects of the game. Phil's forte is tournament NLHE. There is way more to poker than that. His cash game doesn't get a ton of respect from many of the other top pros. He isn't considered to be at the top of other formats either (Razz, Stud, Omaha, etc, etc). If you consider all-around mastery of the game Hellmuth, while admittedly very, very good, would not be at the top of most peoples' lists.

So is he the best tournament hold 'em player in the world?

TeUnit · Aug 31, 2012

I dont think that Phil is the absolute best, however I do believe that he is the best at winning the most amt verses a wide variety of players.

Big_Rudy · Aug 31, 2012

MediaBLITZ said:
So is he the best tournament hold 'em player in the world?

Hard to say. It would depend upon what metric you decide to use, but I certainly think you could make a far more compelling case for that arguement than for simply "Greatest Living Poker Player".

Poker Orifice · Aug 31, 2012

deeshark420 said:
phil ivey is a great player of poker but phil helmouth really knows the game he is an all time favorite player we cannot leave out. I love texas holdem and have learned some good things over the tears from both of the players mentioned.hope everyone is having great poker games.

As far as Helmuth goes, not sure if this was a slip here.... or if you actually meant 'tears' (if 'tears', then yah I'd have to say I've learned some good things over Helmuth's tears also).

AlfieAA · Sep 1, 2012

Big_Rudy said:
Wut??? Again? C'mon Phil stop hiding behind a made-up name on our site . Just admit that you and this mythical "Alyoung" are the same person .

Lol

4thandinches · Sep 1, 2012

MediaBLITZ said:
EXACTLY!!! If Peyton Manning was a better quarterback he would not have to worry about making millions doing endorsements and making business deals.

If LeBron James actually knew how to play basketball...

If Alec Baldwin could act....

If Negreanu could play a lick of poker...

If you weren't a moron....

You are forgetting one crucial point: The above non-pokers players you mentioned would still be VERYwell off from their professions because as long as they are actively playing sports or acting, they are still earning a hefty paycheck. And the commercial endorsements add to their wealth.
However, poker players have no guarantees of making money while playing, and can and do actually lose money in the process. Based on this failure by you to understand the simple difference, that would actually make you the moronic one.

onemorechance · Sep 1, 2012

MediaBLITZ said:
EXACTLY!!! If Peyton Manning was a better quarterback he would not have to worry about making millions doing endorsements and making business deals.

If LeBron James actually knew how to play basketball...

If Alec Baldwin could act....

If Negreanu could play a lick of poker...

If you weren't a moron....

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