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Message: [QUOTE="bigjoker66, post: 880385, member: 24816"] Here are the actual numbers according to twodimes.net (I rounded them) these are numbers for suited overs and the pp are of different suits from the overcards. for unsuited subtract about 3% from the overcards 1. 46 - 54 2. 50 - 50 3. 47 - 53 4. 47 - 53 5. 49 - 51 So clearly #2 is the best over cards to have, mainly because you can make more straights with it. The problem with JT is you don't know if you cards are overs or not. You want to be the aggressor in these situations so you have the fold equity. You do not want to be calling for a flip. Check out [url=http://twodimes.net/h/?z=72009]Poker Odds Calculator (twodimes.net)[/url] for the JT vs 88 numbers. [/QUOTE]