Proof: it happens live too

KingCurtis · Oct 6, 2008

icemonkey9 · Oct 6, 2008

just grossness man. i'm going to make a prediction here in this obscure thread. You, me, bw, and Zach, as most people know are going to play in the ME in 2010. Of course we'll all end up at the final table and there's going to be some dude from ... i dunno ... Micronesia. And he is going to suck out HARD on ... hmm .. lets say ZACH.

And Zach will give the post interview of "HEAO #@$( %$ GEG$@(* T()#T WFE WEF PO@# (@#$)T "

Priceless.

wooo · Oct 6, 2008

Oh dear trips on flop with weck hand.
That is harsh.

zachvac · Oct 6, 2008

The first hand I'm not sure but what kind of odds was he getting? It was pretty bad though that instead of considering that he was trying to decide as if it was just something you either felt or not. Although his "logic" was kinda right. Although the logic shouldn't be you have to gamble, I think with most tourney payout structures if you have a slightly -ev chip decision you should still take the flip because it's most likely +ev in money.

KingCurtis · Oct 6, 2008

yeah his first move was crazy...he said "you have to draw out to win the tournament" ok yeah you hit you r flush now play...but he does the exact opposite and "sucksout" lol on the next hand...he just doubled up, he didnt have to gmble

KingCurtis · Oct 6, 2008

icemonkey9 said:
just grossness man. i'm going to make a prediction here in this obscure thread. You, me, bw, and Zach, as most people know are going to play in the ME in 2010. Of course we'll all end up at the final table and there's going to be some dude from ... i dunno ... Micronesia. And he is going to suck out HARD on ... hmm .. lets say ZACH.

And Zach will give the post interview of "HEAO #@$( %$ GEG$@(* T()#T WFE WEF PO@# (@#$)T "

Priceless.

I like the prediction, but i prefer zach hitting a sick card against the micronesian

zachvac · Oct 6, 2008

icemonkey9 said:
just grossness man. i'm going to make a prediction here in this obscure thread. You, me, bw, and Zach, as most people know are going to play in the ME in 2010. Of course we'll all end up at the final table and there's going to be some dude from ... i dunno ... Micronesia. And he is going to suck out HARD on ... hmm .. lets say ZACH.

And Zach will give the post interview of "HEAO #@$( %$ GEG$@(* T()#T WFE WEF PO@# (@#$)T "

Priceless.

Actually I'm pretty sure I'd just be speechless if that happened to me.

zachvac · Oct 6, 2008

KingCurtis said:
I like the prediction, but i prefer zach hitting a sick card against the micronesian

Here's the situation. I have 34h and the board comes 2h5hKh, other guy stacks AT with the Ah. Turn comes Qh, river comes 6h

.

KingCurtis · Oct 6, 2008

zachvac said:
Here's the situation. I have 34h and the board comes 2h5hKh, other guy stacks AT with the Ah. Turn comes Qh, river comes 6h .

perfect, now all we need is ice to call the wsop and get that hand nic and rigged for us

ph_il · Oct 6, 2008

zachvac said:
The first hand I'm not sure but what kind of odds was he getting?

He had to call 75.6K to win a pot of 215.3K or ~2.8:1 odds.

I like Kido Pham's look on the game. The whole 'willing to die in order live attitude'.

zachvac · Oct 6, 2008

philthy said:
He had to call 75.6K to win a pot of 215.3K or ~2.8:1 odds.

Then he had odds to call. ESPN says 27%, 2.8:1 is 1/3.8 = 26.3% or better he'd need to call. Obviously the problem is sometimes it's a higher draw or a set so he doesn't have odds against his range most likely but he had odds if the hands were face up.

dufferdevon · Oct 7, 2008

You guys are forgetting that Scotty folded Ah 5h and the other guy had the Qh - there is only 6 hearts left in the deck - his odds were worse than he thought.

zachvac · Oct 7, 2008

GSPRUSHSTPIERRE said:
Jack Ten against KK is just sick

It was probably the poker gods getting back at Hachem for being such a jerk before the cards came out.

ph_il · Oct 7, 2008

dufferdevon said:
You guys are forgetting that Scotty folded Ah 5h and the other guy had the Qh - there is only 6 hearts left in the deck - his odds were worse than he thought.

But Pham didn't know this. He figured his odds for 9 remaining hearts, not 6.

zachvac · Oct 7, 2008

philthy said:
But Pham didn't know this. He figured his odds for 9 remaining hearts, not 6.

lol no he figured "I have to gamboool to win, I call". Also if he was really thinking it through he'd realize there are sets/2-pairs in his range that take away odds to call.

c9h13no3 · Oct 7, 2008

zachvac said:
lol no he figured "I have to gamboool to win, I call". Also if he was really thinking it through he'd realize there are sets/2-pairs in his range that take away odds to call.

ESPN takes into account the fact that QxQh has redraws & that 2 hearts are missing when they compute the odds of winning.

Luckylmn3 · Oct 10, 2008

so sick...

RichKo · Oct 11, 2008

Kido's plays are always sick, I've seen him pull so many bluffs and questionable plays it's ridiculous. But I have heard a number of pro's say that to win a big tourney there is an element of luck involved, if you just wait for the nuts all the time you'll be dead in the water. Thats why I hate all-in moves, cause no matter what you have there's always a chance theres something better...except a royal that is, and everyones not gonna be playing just top cards.

SirHockeyPuck · Nov 19, 2008

Live play is different especially "deep stacked". You gotta expect some of those plays once in awhile. Maybe not see that J10 Allin as much lol

dcor · Jan 8, 2009

that is sick......how did he make the final table again?

Ranny · Jan 8, 2009

Why is the no criticism for just calling with qq, terrible move.

SAH89 · Jan 8, 2009

This is why I rarely play live, if a suckout like that happened against an idiot like him I'd have wrestled him to the ground and security would've had to drag me out of there.

chelooo · Feb 15, 2009

it does happen live but hey
that's one hand!!
from how many played lol

thesoxwin · Feb 16, 2009

Cmon now everyone...If this happened to any of us , we'd been screaming donk. It was, at best, a donk move to push all in with J-10 after a huge raise. But he hit it so that makes him a pro...

PC69 · Feb 16, 2009

iam a calm dude lately i swear. but if that happened to me id probably wait for that guy outside and beat his brains in lmao imo

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